In Which We Ponder If Those Criticizing Police Are The Baddies

I’m grunching but this was that rare dunk for people who normally despise such barbaric behavior

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I wonder if there’s any kind of treatment or modification to the gravestone that would allow it to look the same but also cause bullets or projectiles to ricochet.

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I’ve only been skimming, but this is at least the second time you’ve made these two claim.

  1. Re: black-cop-black-victim (too much video out there to say “perp”) what makes you think the black community is fine with getting the shit kicked out of them by black cops? What TV show, or blog post told you this was the case?

The white/black dynamic is stark, and black community activists complain all the time that the pool of police officers do not represent the communities they’re (supposed to be) policing, but they also complain about black cops victimizing them.

As an aside, when PDs like Camden require a larger percentage of their force to come from the community they police, they see improved community relations, lower crime rates, and fewer complaints of misuse of force.

  1. Re: the infantilzation of the black community, who would all be just fine if they’d take some damn personal responsibility!:

Let’s accept your premise that blacks in the US occupy some different “station.” What is the reason for that? It seems to me we’ve got two choices. Either A) they’re simply born incapable of taking “responsibility, accountability and corrective action,” or; B) the society and/or system of government is rigged so thoroughly against them, and the penalty is so severe for those who try to buck the system, that it looks like they’re not even trying. In particular, what “corrective action” is open to them? What resources do they have at their disposal?

If you’re answer is A) I’d love to know your reasoning. Is it genetics? Are black people just inferior?
If your answer is B) I’d love to know what you think about the fact that women don’t earn as much as men. Do women just not take the necessary responsibility, accountability and corrective action? (I hope this is a good example, and I’m not walking into a MRA fusillade.) Or do women today fight against millennia of conditioning–both of themselves and of men?

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Those bullets did ricochet.

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Need to @Trolly here so at least one person appreciates that.

Police are a non-issue? Really? Where are these magical lands?

I have lived in deep red states and bright blue states, I have lived in big cities, sprawling suburbs and extreme rural areas.

I don’t think I have ever encountered the police being a non-issue and I am privileged white male who is tall with blonde hair and blue eyes.

Certainly rural, urban and suburban police all put their boot on the neck of the citizenry in different way, but it all has the same motivations and goals. Are you thinking about the Andy Griffin Show? Andy perpetually flexed his muscle on the town by keeping Otis locked up instead of getting treatment.

Mayberry would have been much better off with a couple of drug and alcohol counselors instead of two police officers. The real travesty, however, is White Otis had a key to the jail and was allowed to come and go as he pleased. There is no evidence any minority prisoners in Mayberry ever were afforded such privilege.

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… derail warning …

I went to my first Star Trek convention in 1970 (shortly after the re-runs hit the airwaves), though it was by no means a convention as the term is used today. A Berkeley Sci-Fi/Comic Book store hosted a gathering of Star Trek fans. Fueled by a few well-placed posters and word-of-mouth hundreds of people showed up (much to the surprise of the store owner).

This was the first time I realized that a lot of folks liked/loved Star Trek as much as I did. I bought an early mimeographed edition of the Star Trek Concordance which became somewhat of a phenomenon when it was published by a real book publisher a few years later.

I wonder if anything ever came of that series??

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The VRU stuff is fascinating. I spent a huge portion of life defending a huge part of the policing status quo in the US.

However, it has become crystal clear, even to this idiot, things need to drastically change.

I don’t necessary support abolishing the police (baby steps your crazy left wingers :crazy_face:) but I do support massively reduced funding for police across the country. I then want the money reinvested in actually getting people who are trained in specific areas to help. Social Workers, Social Program Administrators, programs like VRU, psychiatric workers and healthcare workers, drug and alcohol treatment and dozens of other groups that can professionally address our biggest issues. Along with that we can greatly reduce our prison infrastructure with alternatives that actually might help people. Imagine a police force 20% of what it is now and a jail and prison system 10% of what it is now. This would cause police and prisons to take their boot of the neck of society and let it breath again.

Police forces are essentially similar microcosms on local political level as the military is on the federal level. All the politicians and leaders working together to keep them massively funded and with no oversight.

The police purposefully hire people with below average intelligence, to limit insubordination and then put them in charge of ten things they are not trained to do, half of which require a post graduate degree. I think most officers who were good enough to stay around would enjoy their jobs significantly more in a giant restructuring. The rest can work in an Amazon Warehouse or trade crypto currency.

Leaving the cost out of it for a second, what police are doing, overall In the US is absolutely a net negative on society. When you factor in the absolutely insane budgets the police siphon of off communities they become agents of society mass destruction.

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That is one of Rivaldo’s worst stances on this. He wants to wave around the existence of black cop on black citizen crime like it is some sort of immunity card for the police.

Cops are racist. Black cops are racist. They are the house workers from the slavery days. Some of the stuff black cops say about black people is as awful as it gets. They get indoctrinated in the same systemic racist system as the cops of every other race. They are told “you are a good black”.

This is essentially the same ignorant argument that get people saying “White Lives Matter too”. Nobody is trying to claim the problem is just cops and black people. Police should not be murdering ANYONE. When I see some of these incidents with body cams I have NO idea what race the officer is. I am disgusted regardless.

Racism is the life blood of the police enforcement machine. However that machine can and does chew up people of all races.

I know Rivaldo said he was done here but two questions if he returns.

  1. Do you believe black people can be racist?
  2. Do you believe black people can be racist towards other black people?

There is no ethnicity, class or race immune from widespread hatred.

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Someone up there likes me…in a fit of self-loathing, I went to listen to the Whitlock clip, but it wouldn’t load.

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this is interesting, lotta perspectives, and dat voice.