If we defund them, fewer of them will get shot.
And how do you envision society without them?
seriously, I’m interest to know.
Not sure what you mean. There are about 15000 non-suicide shooting deaths a year in the US. Cops do like 3-6% of the shooting there and cops are like 0.3% of the population. I don’t know if you meant that was commensurate or not, but actually cops only being 10 or 20x as likely to kill someone with a gun is a little surprising.
this is some faulty logic, mister man.
their mandate makes their % of population meaningless
what I meant, I will rewrite here shortly via edit. it might not have been clear
I’m curious about total gun deaths ( suicide or otherwise) divided by deaths attributable to police using deadly force
for every country on earth
Why would you do that? You don’t think I look things up before I post them?
I looked up every officer shot and killed in the US before posting that.
The one who might be characterized as having something peripherally to do with the protests is a guy in the Air Force associated with the Right-Wing Boogaloo movement who killed the cop in Santa Cruz.
other than that
Florida fish and game cop
Mississippi cop transporting a psych case
Alabama cop something at a hotel
Detroit cop domestic violence
Utah cop domestic violence
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ok that’s fair
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This is going to be a meaningless number. Police shootings will be a high percentage of non-suicide gun deaths in Australia, but this simply reflects the very low gun homicide rate here.
I think I get that and it’s such a complicated thing to look at. We have a much higher police gun killing/gun killing ratio than say El Salvador - mostly because they have such a huge rate of gun killing. Compared to a country like France? We have like 4 times the rate of gun killing in general and about 8 times the rate of gun killing by cops. It’s more or less the same ratios with the UK with them having lower gun killing rates and lower police gun killing rates.
I don’t know…but I’m going to leave it at something like US cops are about twice as killy relative to their population as comparable cops are to theirs. But, that’s definitely shooting from the hip. :)
thrilled you replied. I think you are maybe the most thoughtful, considered poster on this page.
I might be fumbling with what I’m trying to say.
I theorize that the gun violence in this country, that has us sticking out like a sore thumb in a global sense, is why correspondingly the police shoot more
and if we can compare it to other nation’s overall violence, and the cops’ contribution… when they’re out there under duress and tasked with conflict resolution and deescalation, but shit goes sideways, and u best believe they self-preserve
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Australia has about a tenth the gun death rate as the US and it’s not far off from about one twentieth the killed by a cop’s gun rate as the US, so sticking with the US cops are twice as killy.
Less than the number of people violently assaulted or murdered by police, by a significant margin.
That the police should be of the mindset that they have to kill everyone they come in contact is looney tunes.
lol relax. your solution? still waiting on trolly’s
Best comparable country I can come up for you is Argentina. They have a pretty similar homicide rate as the US and a pretty similar killed by cop rate. I don’t think anyone is saying the cops in Argentina (or anywhere else) are so great though.
Their mandate to murder people for no reason?
Weird used to be “To Protect and Serve”
Not it Is “To Murder Your Face, ldo”
haha! point to Riv
I’m thrilled with this, and wanna keep emotions out of it, and have a real discussion. Marksman, you are excused lmao
I’d have to dedicate some thought to it, but any improvement in policing or community quality of life, and reduction of fear and crime would satisfy.
And an increase in optimism and ambition. Do not just wanna reduce the negatives, though a reduction in negatives might automatically increase the positives
is Argentina a relatively homogeneous society, not dealing with multi-racial assimilation and harmony?
I’m honestly ignorant
Every year in the United States, approximately 100 000 people are treated in hospital emergency departments for nonfatal injuries inflicted by law enforcement
The average annual rate of legal intervention homicides in the 16 NVDRS states over the study period was 0.24 per 100 000 population on the basis of the study count. Rates varied by race/ethnicity. Among Hispanics, the rate was 0.25/100 000. Among non-Hispanics, rates were 0.48 for Blacks, 0.25 for American Indians, 0.17 for Whites, and 0.06 for Asians.
This is a study trying to determine how accurate the NVDRS numbers are compared to other sources. The above blurbs were just mildly interesting.
It’s just sad that these protests were not about economic justice, but rather instances of white cop, black victim, omitting minority cop, minority victim occurrences.
The residual positive effects would improve race-relations, general hostility and helplessness, etc. etc. it would be difficult to measure how much positive change some wealth redistribution might do
hope it isn’t a misguided missed opportunity