There was some really, really over the top stuff being posted on the old site and on 22 that kind of went unaddressed for a while and I know for a fact it isnt just him.
The 9/11 thing doesnt really make me clutch my pearls as much as a few other things but I’m me.
Being a non US citizen, I would prefer to stay out of the 9/11 topics and discussions, until asked otherwise.
We kind of lost any right to be all that sensitive about 9/11 when we used it as an excuse to kill a million+ people IMO. I think the post was in poor taste, but I don’t feel like anyone has any good excuse to be super offended by it.
no but she would’nt call for impeachment correctly realizing no republican is going to vote for it anyway.
but that’s the whole point, make them put it on the darn record they don’t care
Uh, what about those of us who were against the war since day 1?
Speaking as one of those people I think we should be cognizant of the fact that it’s been 18 years now… and that we killed a million people since so maybe there are other better things to be offended by.
I think the policy is that someone needs to make a case for the banning, probably set up a thread and a poll and work it until there is some indication of popular support. I know we don’t have some exact rules, but most of the time we’re going to know close enough to consensus when we see it.
X-posting from the SE politics thread on 22. I’m probably not going to stick around and battle royale every single poster on this site on this. Just want to get my honest opinion down on paper.
I actually trust Pelosi’s judgment on this. Super duper hot take I know.
I think the Kavanaugh hearings hurt Dems and riled up the R base. And nothing happened. He still got confirmed just a week or two later. Oh he’s tainted now. Great.
Impeachment will be that on steroids and it will get a ton of lefties fired up that something is going to actually happen when of course - nothing will happen. People will refuse to testify and nothing will happen. They’ll lie to congress with no consequences. And then everyone will be deflated on the left while the R base will be ready to shoot people in the streets. Just in time for the election.
And then everyone on here will blame Pelosi’s big blunder. They’ll say she executed it poorly or something - when nothing happening but a lot of sound and fury was always going to be the outcome. It will feel amazing and cathartic in the moment and ultimately end in disaster. Unlike FoxNews and every Benghazi hearing - the MSM won’t just pretend it never happened. They’ll be ruthless.
Buncha privates grousing about generals’ decisions when they don’t have the big picture or access to a ton of information imo. Trump wants impeachment. He’s begging for it. That should give one pause.
I’ll show myself out.
https://mobile.twitter.com/michelleinbklyn/status/1176206112942678016
https://mobile.twitter.com/mimimagic/status/1176209963095646208
This… I would rather fight & fail than never to have fought, I would rather fall in love than to have never loved before are just some of the traits that make me what I am.
I’ll be honest too in the fact that I’m with @jmakin on this wrt to election and I said it on the old site, not the old old site 
that Trump is a favourite anyways because of the voter suspression etc. Sad but true imo.
I think the best chance is Warren - who Rs think they want. But, much like Trump did, she’d get a whole new ground-swelling of support that Biden wouldn’t and maybe shock them.
Bernie as well - and then Buttigieg and Yang. Dems need someone with idea to push. I agree I don’t think a candidate who’s just “Not Trump” is going to win.
I really hope I’m wrong Suzzer99
Why does she poll so badly in head-to-head polls vs. Trump?
I think outright cowardice is playing a large part in the “ineptness” of Pelosi and co, and I don’t mean fear of losing an election. When it comes to actual brute force power, Congress has the power to send the freakin sergeant of arms to enforce its subpoenas that Trump wipes his ass with.
Trump has a ruthless and immoral AG who is willing to use the DOJ to fuck over every member of Congress, their donors and anyway else they’ve ever cared about, one by one. He has got the FBI, the Intelligence Agencies, and the National Guard. As we are learning, he even has the power to turn other world leaders against his enemies via sticks and carrots.
Pelosi and co are worried that if they use the little fly swatter they have to enforce their power that Trump will drop the sledgehammer on them. Short-term that sledgehammer is mighty scary, but if he gets through re-election then it’s outright terrifying for his opponents.
If you swing at the king, you best not miss. Establishment Ds don’t have the conviction in their beliefs necessary to take a swing and put themselves on the line, no matter what Trump does.
Indeed… And it’s real.
I think this is incredibly short-sighted.
Do you think it was wise for people to try to unionize in the 19th Century? Do you think it was wise for people to fight for Civil Rights? What about Suffrage? None of those movements were immediately successful. I’m sure all of them “riled up” the opposing base. Would you argue they shouldn’t have tried?
The 2018 midterms were right after the hearings and the Dems picked up more seats than expected. I thought the talk at the time was that the Dem base was riled up over the Kav hearings. How fired up are they if Dr. Ford comes forth and the Dems refuse to even give her a hearing?
I understand this is all speculation, but can you give me some specific ways you think things are better for Dems in 2019 if they roll over on Kav? What are some specific ways things will be better for Dems in 2020 if they roll over on impeachment now?
I do kinda-sorta agree that we (certainly I) don’t have as much info as Pelosi. But by that same argument, we don’t have as much info as those calling for impeachment in Congress, either. Why doesn’t that give you pause?
Does it give you pause that your entire post looks like the transcript of the latest Very Helpful Republican Appearing On CNN To Tell Dems Exactly What They Need To Do To Win In 2020?
And as always, my primary reason for pursuing it is DO THE RIGHT THING. Let the GOP show their asses; don’t show yours to cover theirs.
Dems were riled up, until the end when it was soul-crushing to watch the FBI refuse to investigate and Collins and Flake roll over. Dems are already pretty insanely fired up about Trump. Kavanaugh may or may not have galvanized a bunch of low-info Rs. It’s hard to say who got fired up more. I know everyone at my gym was talking about it and I saw people clustered watching it on TV multiple times. Maybe the Dems came out ahead but it wasn’t by much - and it accomplished what exactly - an excuse to pack the court?
But I just think Impeachment will feel good for the left but have the right in an absolute froth. Bill Clinton got impeached and it did nothing but strengthen him. I think Dems best chance is a candidate with a message and a candidate who isn’t obviously just a corporate autocrat like Hillary or Biden. 2020 can’t be about Never Trump imo. It has to be a candidate with a real message, or the Dems lose just like HRC did.
What are some specific ways you think Impeachment will make things better for the dems in 2020?
If you swing at the king and all you have is a fly swatter - maybe look for a different strategy?
I don’t care. Trumpfans didn’t think about electability, they thought about who fired them up. Warren fires me up and it looks like I’m far from the only one. So I’m ready to push for her and let the chips fall where they may.
I don’t want another corporate autocrat. I want a president whose signature issue will be rooting out corruption and holding giant corporations accountable for bad behavior. This country is about to collapse under the weight of all the pigs at the trough.
So you don’t think the American public can tell the difference between impeaching a guy for lying about a blow job and impeaching a guy for light treason, rampant corruption, non-stop lies, etc?
Yup, and none of this hinges on impeachment - either way.