ICE: it's really bad and getting worse

Agreed. Let’s see if we can do some general strikes and turn out the populace into the streets before we go full out. Let’s not turn this Bunker Hill into the Alamo before we try non-violent resistance.

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Those cops came to round up brown people and shoot dogs, and they ran out of brown people.

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I expect general strikes is all you need to bring down Trump but I don’t see them happening. I work for an American company and except for the Indians on H1B visas I haven’t seen anyone really care about what Trump and ICE is doing.

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I know and the apathy is the most frustrating part for me. But I still think MLK and Gandhi had it right. I would love to go all Miyamoto Musashi but it’s not realistic in USA#1 as you write above.

It’s not warfare and I’m not talking about taking on the military

cod MW2 noob toob would work.

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Yes. I would never bet on something so grim, but I genuinely believe Trump is itching for his own Kent State. He wants to look tough more than anything, and he’s increasing violence in his target cities. I think he thinks that liberals will fold like chairs once there are some dead bodies.

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You must have missed the part where Nunnehi was talking about the military which makes it warfare. The National Guard is already deployed so you already are not just fighting the police and ICE if it comes to armed conflicts. Plenty of seasoned veterans in the National Guard and even the police owns APC’s and I think even armed helicopters. So it is still delusional to think armed civilians are going to stop this without the military getting involved and it is not even sure which side they might pick.

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I don’t think liberals will fold like chairs if there are dead bodies, but I think most people don’t care until there are dead bodies.

This is absurdly wrong on several levels, but I’m not going to champion for an armed conflict. Consider just for starters that not every member of the military or ex military agree with fascists. Also that a mass of armed people can be problematic to say the least even for the most ruthless regimes

Selective hit and run tactics would make many of them quit when they realize they can’t just bully others without consequence.

Totally normal.

https://x.com/BulwarkOnline/status/1976716444705382810

Video of Debbie Brockman from WGN getting arrested.

https://www.reddit.com/r/law/s/6jqqaZPPrj

Are you suggesting that frog costumes are putting fear into the enemy?

I’m looking at history and fascist takeovers have only ever been repelled by violence or military intervention. Can someone give an example of fascism being repelled by peaceful protest?

No, that’s why WAAF

Why are we restricted to fascist regimes? There haven’t been many fascist regimes, strictly speaking. There are plenty of examples involving authoritarian government. Check out the work of Erica Chenoweth.

Their team compared over 200 violent revolutions and over 100 nonviolent campaigns. Their data shows that 26% of the violent revolutions were successful, while 53% of the nonviolent campaigns succeeded.[5] Moreover, looking at change in democracy (Polity IV scores) suggest that nonviolence promotes democracy while violence promotes tyranny.

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What about fascist uprisings in developed countries as opposed to fascist regimes? Fascism took over Italy and Germany, and it almost took over Spain except it was quashed through violence.

What were you getting at with regards to anything happening on Portland?

Franco was the dictator of Spain from 1939 until he died, of natural causes at 82 years old, in 1975.

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