ICE: it's really bad and getting worse

Not a pure form but it did take over Spain. Franco won. What was left of his rule was swept away, peacefully, after he died.

The other two cases are the only strictly fascist states we’ve seen.

Not just Portland, but Portland seems to have the most organized protests. They tend to do things the right way, at some point you have to make ICE officers feel fear. These are bullies and they will run away if they get scared. I don’t think the time is now, but if one side is willing to commit violence and the other isn’t you will have lots of deaths on the righteous side and a winning successful evil side laughing at how easy it was.

How have they made ice feel fear? That’s what I’m asking. Maybe I’ve missed something.

In a way Franco was the scariest fascist. His regime killed about 400,000 people and hardly anyone in the rest of the world objected. People kept vacationing in Spain.

I don’t think so. More like Frustration. Futility. Not fear.

Maybe they are afraid of the guy in the frog suit and the guy in the chicken suit. Really. Maybe they’re afraid of looking like the monsters they are , and these guys are making that clear.

Or maybe someone’s algorithm has them thinking that Portland is burning down or something.

Maybe but I think it’s closer to humiliation than fear.

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They haven’t yet, they are currently slightly increasing public opinion. The fear part hasn’t come yet.

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One can argue about whether dictators came from the fascisté region of Italy or not, but:

Pinochet lost power through mostly non-violent measures.

Chun Doo-hwan in South Korea stepped down as a result of non-violent opposition and probably pressure from the USA.

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People were vacationing in Germany well into the late 30s when concentration camps were in full swing.

What’s a strictly fascist regime? It’s pretty hard to get a working definition, no?

The pre-genocide Rwandan regime must tick most of the boxes.

I don’t want to argue exactly constitutes people vacationing and camps being in full swing, but the population of the camps in Germany grew a lot in 1938 and they annexed The Sudetenland in October 1938, which probably killed tourism. And, of course, the big camps, mostly in Poland, didn’t get started until at least 1941.

Franco ticks most of the boxes, but it seems some people argue that because of the role of the Church and his defense of the Monarchy, he was something of a Conservative dictator rather than from the fascisti region of Italy.

I didn’t know much about pre-genocide Rwanda (still don’t), but after a cursory look, it seems pretty fascistic.

Modern invading forces face a really difficult and complex battles in urban environments. Overwhelming firepower becomes much less effective if you care about civilian casualties (see gaza for an example where thats not the case). For modern examples, see how the russian army has mostly gotten slaughtered by much smaller, less advanced forces in ukraine urban envs.

The hong kong protests were a good example of this too. you can probably even go to back to some civil war examples where the south won huge victories against invading union forces are there too if you want older historical examples

There is no violence in Portland just people having fun in costumes.

they shot that priest in the face with pepper balls

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Political scientists have one, and there are only two clear examples. My point was we don’t need to worry that opposition movements failed in those cases. Popular resistance has succeeded against tough authoritarian governments. No guarantee but no reason to say it can’t work against Trumpism.