Sexual fidelity has zero to do with someones ability to do their job. Also, how are you separating open from closed relationships with this moral filter?
Not to mention the data clearly shows the majority of people will fail this test lifeline. Seems pretty odd to use a human behaviour the majority of people engage in as some kind of moral filter for political candidates.
Hard disagree, trustworthiness matters for public officials. Obv if someone is in an open relationship, thatâs a different story.
You are going to fault a politician for doing something more than 60% of people admit to doing and likely far more actual do?
You are filtering for the wrong people.
Itâs even more insane when dealing with public figures. Like are we really still in a place where we are going to act shocked people with massive fame and power cheat.
I would bet that number tops 80%.
You are filtering for psychotic religious zealots only.
Still have no idea how the public is suppose to know if a relationship is open or closed.
Cite please, that doesnât sound right.
I donât care how well they can do the job. I care about their ability to keep their word. If they are in a relationship that isnât working then leave it. If they are in an open relationship then they arenât cheating.
Why are you giving them a pass? Just because they have lots of opportunity to fail we shouldnât be disappointed that they fail? Public figures should be held to a higher standard not a lower one. Particularly if their public platform is based on âfamily valuesâ or âtraditional morales.â Iâm alright with cheating on your partner not being just another kink we canât shame people about.
Careful, your biases are showing
I know what you mean, but we also know that most of the âfamily valuesâ stuff from public officials is performative culture stuff. Even if someone puts on a show of marital âtrustworthinessâ, thatâs not something that we should really give them credit for when making decisions about who should have opportuntiies to lead. Itâs not a reliable indicator of actual trustworthiness.
Yeah itâs an integrity issue. I think it is relevant. Just because a lot of people do it doesnât change that it represents poor behavior where others trusted them and they failed.
I have not lookedâis there any data showing that people who cheat on their spouses are more likely to commit other crimes? E.g. embezzlement. Iâd want to filter out open relationships but not sure if thatâs possible
Also a public figure who cheats is more susceptible to blackmail, I would guess
Do you speed?
Surely we donât want people in office who break the law.
I prefer politicians who donât break the law over politicians who break the law.
Nobody passes this moral filter. So you have no one left to be a politician.
Because I measure people by how we know humans actually act not some silly religious standard that has never and will never be followed.
Itâs the hypocrisy. Politician claims themselves to be moral guardian then repeatedly violates the specific morals they deign to uphold.
If you are going to hit us over the head with sanctity of one man, one woman marriage then donât cheat and expect not to be dragged for it.
Maybe itâs just me, but driving 5 mph over the speed limit and cheating on a spouse donât seem at all equivalent.
There are also non-religious standards for not cheating. The majority of Americans seems to do fine with not cheating when actually married. (Not so much when in an unmarried couple.)
They donât. Do a simple google search. The majority fail at least once in their life.
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Yeah man, people who do scummy things are scummy and I think less of them. I donât think Bill Clinton should have been kicked out of office for his affairs, but they decrease my support for him.
Huh? Religious zealots cheat as much as anyone else.
Seems like an easy thing to communicate if itâs ever an issue.
What about shoplifting?
Itâs all just silly moralizing. My point is drawing you moral line at cheating simply ignores actual reality of the frequency and is just rooted in religious nonsense that we should absolutely not be using to measure our politicians.
If you fail at monogamy once or twice in your life you were very good at it, not bad at it. That is what the biological and social science shows.