I know lots of people like this. They’re majority Jewish.
As a non-religious/atheist Jew, I have found much the same. I value my Jewish upbringing for being partly responsible for my values of being a mensch. I always liked how I was never pressured to believe in any of the religious stuff (in fact, was encouraged to question and come to my own conclusions) but was taught that doing good for others was basically a non-negotiable.
I’ve met far too many highly religious Christians who were seriously shitty people though.
(None of this applies to ultra orthodox Jews. They are an entirely different category imo and the ultra orthodox of any religion are almost always bat shit insane.)
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Here’s my problem with religion: Amy Coney Barrett is the “good” outcome.
It’s so awful. The Catholic Church is a global child rape ring. There is nothing even remotely possible to offset that amount of evil.
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You’re not even trying to quantify it so how would you know?
Was watching the Colbert Show supporting the “Global child rape ring?”
There’s a catholic missionary group that camps out on the border to help immigrants and refugees. For all the bluster on this board are any of us down there helping?
Your single sentence attempting to demonize an amazingly large swath of humans might sound sexy and get some upvotes but it’s inaccurate and unscientific as frick.
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I mean, people can do charity without giving money to an actual child sex cult. The “but they do nice things sometimes” argument is complete bullshit.
You’re simply not a good person if you in any way support the Catholic Church. I get that’s uncomfortable territory for lots of people but if you find yourself with that emotional reaction, you’re the problem.
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I know plenty of Catholics I would wager my existence on are better humans than you are.
Remind us again how many times a week you bite your tongue on the golf course while some Trumpstain opines on the world.
And this doesn’t even touch all the mental harm associated with purity culture that they push on kids. The thing that makes it inexcusable to me is that the adults in the room all know they’re doing the wrong thing
This moral absolutism is overly simplistic and not particularly helpful here or anywhere else in the world.
That post got a big negative reaction out of me despite having zero connection to the Catholic Church my entire life.
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is this how we’re measuring human worth now
sure, global pedophile rings are bad, but so is posting pictures of your gross shoes to the internet, so really who can say if riverman is any better???
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Meh, I think Riverman is out of line here.
oh, sure. He’s definitely overplayed it but funcrusher overplayed his response 100x more
Maybe, but he was sure provoked.
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I’d love to hear the logic behind your magical 100x estimate.
Sounds like the good ole boy network but feel free to enlighten me.
Is Joe Biden a good person? This is a serious question. I mean Anita Hill and Iraq war kinda leans toward no but the guy goes to mass every week for 70 something years he’s surely a big time Catholic.
Trying to do hard lines between good and bad people inevitable leads to stupid results. Real life is more complicated. People aren’t defined by single events or positions.
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meh, yall are way overreacting here. Riverman is more than capable of defending himself here and I’m not going to go to the mat for him but he said “not a good person” and yall acting like he said “the worst person in the world”. And it’s riverman, yall acting like he doesn’t have a huge body of work from which you could understand his nuance.
Look, I get there is nuance and everything is on a spectrum or whatever but I’m absolutely not exaggerating that the Catholic Church is an awful awful institution, among the worst in human history. In addition to the decades and more likely centuries of systematically facilitating the molestation of the most vulnerable children in the world, there is the rampant bigotry and mysoginy, not to mention the shame-based, idiotic teachings and embedded, constant hypocrisy.
I get emotional about this and I was probably out of line. But fuck if I’ll stand by while people normalize it.
It’s a little like Tony using Dr. Melfi to rationalize his sociopathy. There are so many people who are absolute monsters who calm their conscience by sitting between the pews, and the opposite is also true. So many people who are filled with shame over things that are completely normal human impulses and behavior who internalize that they are worthless. It’s so sad and destructive.
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You think there are literally no good people who support the church in any way? Come on, that’s absurd.
no, that’s what riverman said, not me. and since I’ve been reading riverman posts for more than 10 seconds, I’m not exactly going to bet the farm that even he actually believes this, and I’m going to go out on a limb, fill in some blanks, and assume what he was thinking was more along the lines of “actively supporting this institution is a bad thing though doesn’t necessarily wipe out every good thing you’ve ever done, so on net it makes you much more likely to be a net bad person though it’s not 100%”