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Shameful lying persists.

The District Court of The Hague (Netherlands) has just confirmed that the $9.5 billion Ecuadorian judgment against ChevronCVX for alleged pollution in the Lago Agrio region was the product of fraud and corruption by the plaintiffs’ legal team, including bribery of the presiding judge and even ghostwriting of his judgment. [The fraud and corruption have been described in detail in many of my previous columns.] The Hague court upheld a 2018 arbitral award in Chevron’s favor that was issued by an international tribunal under the auspices of the Permanent Court of Arbitrations.

Although it’s not like “liberal” federal judges are any better on corporatist stuff. Hell, Gorush and Kav were the only two justices who wanted to grant cert in this case.

Uh, no.

That’s the arbitration. Not a conviction of anything. And that judge was bribed by Chevron and later recanted his accusation.

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What’s more believable, little guy bribes judge who takes the money, decides in the little guy’s favor, and then still says little guy bribed him, or Chevron later paid the judge to say it and then put him on salary in the US and then he told the truth later?

I guess if you don’t believe multinational corporations are capable of buying courts while extracting resources and spoiling the developing world, that’s an easy question for you.

NormMacDonald - I don’t know if any of you are history buffs.

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Bribery is when Chevron gives a bunch of money to the Federalist society and they have one of their most prominent members write the article that you are quoting from.

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Where’s the conviction for fraud? That was arbitration of a civil suit.

Was The Hague bribed as well when they found that the plaintiffs bribed the Ecuadorian judge that granted the award against Chevron?

Maybe. If not, they were fooled. Like you.

The “The Hague” here is not “The Hague” international criminal court which you are using to lend authority here.

Complete hot take from just reading this thread and not knowing a thing about it, but it’s a pretty common conservative tactic to ignore procedural and systemic issues and instead focus on the character of the individuals.

Whether dude is a martyr or saint or a famewhore is irrelevant. People you think are shitty deserve fair justice and due process too.

Did Chevron use money and power to get special treatment in violation of his (and the Ecuadorians’) due process and civil rights? Pretty much the only relevant question imo.

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I wouldn’t be surprised if Donziger et al engaged in corrupt practices but ultimately they were getting gamed by Chevron from the start. Chevron wanted the case to be heard under a judicial system out of the public eye where you probably have to engage in a bit of corruption to stand a chance against a global oil behemoth. In order to stand a chance Donziger et al probably then did try and play the game but lacked experience and concealed it poorly. Chevron, born yesterday, then claims to be outraged that Donziger et al had dabbled in corruption.

In my opinion Donziger’s cause was just but trusting to honest legal avenues doomed. He was invited to play, played and lost. His crime wasn’t so much corruption as sloppiness.

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The judge that he supposedly bribed was later on chevron’s payroll and recanted. It’s quite possible that the only thing donziger was guilty of was losing a court case to one of the largest and most powerful and most ruthless organizations in the world. After winning the case that is.

Eta: that and the worst crime of all: contempt aka failure to obey.

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“Donziger fought the good fight to get Chevron to pay by any means necessary and came up short”

That would be an honest take. At least own it.

Donziger is a liar. I’d view him differently if his lies were solely to fuck over Chevron, rather than a decade long Birthday Boy campaign

Is there a better representative on this forum of the dumbest parts of the left than this stupid motherfucker?

Like, wouldn’t it, like, be better if we society just like didn’t have rules. We could also, like, just be assigned a factory job and it’s cool because actually we could just sit around and drink all day.

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Yeah, there is. The guy siding with the private Chevron prosecution and the three year pretrial imprisonment for a misdemeanor contempt of court charge.

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You are for sure describing real things that real people believe. Great job

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Do you work for Chevron? Jesus

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Are you being willfully obtuse? Is this a bit?

The Hague Court that arbitrated this dispute is an august international tribunal.

The PCA is the oldest institution for international dispute resolutions. It was established in 1899 by the first Hague Peace Conference under Articles 20 to 29 of the 1899 Hague Convention for the Pacific Settlement of International Disputes.

Again, I’m guessing that you, earnest, credulous fellow that you are, got fooled. Not this eminent tribunal.

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Well, he was affirmed to have bribed a Judge by a neutral international tribunal. Sounds pretty corrupt to me.


that’s scary, ngl. everything wrong with the world.

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