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Now we’ve moved on to it being unfair to be punished for disobeying court orders.

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Fascism is when disobeying court orders over and over again comes with consequences.

It is. And that’s what he was punished for. That’s what Sotamayor and Kagan sided against him on. You moved this there, right? Well you acted like it was about fraud, but it was about contempt.

You’re a fucking fascist. That’s why your knees jerk in favor of Chevron and obedience.

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No, the point I was making is how he keeps having his ass handed to him in court and what that suggests regarding the supposedly sinister and corrupt nature of his original prosecution. One gets the idea he’d have faced the same fate before any court, against any competent prosecution.

So was it all a sinister, corrupt plot to begin with?

You are an embarrassment to the left, Microbet. The only thing your missing is an anime avatar.

If you don’t think it’s sinister that Chevron’s lawyers were appointed to prosecute him, you are fucked up.

Why bother with such a sinister plot if they have the whole appeals system in their pocket?

A little, but prosecutors are supposed to be biased against the people they are prosecuting.

In my neck of the woods, placing people on “house arrest”, Aka electronic monitoring, is considered a liberal reform.

Are prosecutors supposed to be Chevron?

They are usually civil servants, not private attorneys in the employ of companies that the accused just won a huge settlement against for poisoning indigenous people.

The regular prosecutors refused to prosecute. A judge appointed private chevron lawyers to act as prosecution.

Nothing sinister here.

You can yell about that all day and it won’t change that Donziger’s own actions led directly to every punishment he’s faced.

Exploiting a poor country’s lack of rule of law: real hero of the left stuff

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Texaco and Chevron were the one’s who wanted the case heard in Ecuador.

Oil companies poison indigenous people for decades in Ecuador and you think you’re taking the side of the left here?

And how did Donziger’s work end up working out for the victims?

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In the end they couldn’t beat Chevron. Might makes right for fascists. You win.

Yeah. The civil servants chose not to prosecute Donziger so the judge appointed the Chevron lawyers. And then the new judge in the case (appointed by the pissed off judge) didn’t let Donziger have a jury trial because it was a misdemeanor. And kept him under house arrest for three years while the private misdemeanor prosecution was going on.

This is the Chevron accusation of fraud

Chevron’s accusation that the judgment was illegitimate relied heavily on testimony by an Ecuadorian judge, Alberto Guerra, whom Chevron relocated to the US and, as of 2015, paid a $12,000 monthly salary. Guerra testified that the plaintiffs had bribed him to sway the Ecuadorian judgment against Chevron. Guerra later recanted much of his claim – admitting, Vice News reported in 2015, that “there is no evidence to corroborate allegations of a bribe or a ghostwritten judgment, and that large parts of his sworn testimony … were exaggerated and, in other cases, simply not true”.

So all the corruption from Donziger to get justice for the victims led to them getting nothing. There’s no scenario where Chevron’s lawyers weren’t going to tear him a new asshole in courts outside Ecuador.

Even if we except it as morally correct to get a corrupt settlement from Chevron. How was this ever going to end in any other way?

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This reads like Chevron wasn’t the prosecutor.

Chevron wanted the poisoning case in Ecuador, where they lost. They thought they had a better chance there than in the US. They ended up getting out of paying though.

Well, rich companies get away with shit. I would have thought you knew this. Apparently not.

Might makes right?

No one is supposed to fight Chevron? That’s certainly the message they wanted to send.