I remember when Tyson had his last comeback, he was really going after this guy in the press conference. He kept interrupting him and eventually said ‘I’m gonna gut him. Like a fish’. The guy just ignored him. Tyson was knocked out.
Can’t forget Shavers too.
Gerry Cooney and Wepner would’ve given Tyson a fight, Peter McNeeley they weren’t. Tyson came up in a time when all the US HW talent had moved to football ftmp. It’s similar to Mayweather where his abnormal familial setting is what led him to the sport.
Foreman would have destroyed Tyson. Holyfield was great for his size and I liked him a lot - I tried to bet on him in the fight he beat Tyson, but my brother’s friend who was going to LV and placing the bets failed. Lennox Lewis never gets enough credit in these Tyson discussions. People act like Tyson was washed up or something, but he was in great shape and he’s younger than Lewis.
It’s like Nunes doesn’t get the credit Holm does.
You get less kudos coming in after David.
I wouldn’t go that far. I don’t remember Wepner, but Cooney could possibly have given Tyson a fight, but also could easily have been another 1st round knockout.
Although Ali was my favorite, like just about every kid, I liked Ernie Shavers a lot.
Yeah, and it’s true that the air of invincibility being gone was important, but Lewis wasn’t just capitalizing on that imo. He always would have beaten Tyson and I wouldn’t be surprised if Tyson’s managers kept him away from Lewis.
Meant more of ‘could’ve.’ They could take a punch and he fought a lot of cans. The point was maybe even a white guy could’ve lasted with him, where McNeeley was a joke.
Some of the greats could’ve easily fallen victim to him KO’ing them in the first. Doesn’t mean if they fight repeated trials that’s the most frequent outcome tho.
Right, but you’re talking about why people don’t give him more credit.
People also don’t like him. He kind of ushered in boring HW fighting w jabs and clinching, seguing into the Klitschkos, or at least that’s the sentiment.
Sure. As far as white guys go, one or both of the Klitchkos would have beaten Tyson. Dunno how good their chins are, but not being intimidated is key and I don’t think they would have been. Rocky Marciano either if you go back in time.
Tyson definitely was the beneficiary of a weak division and keeping away from the best heavyweight fighter in the world at the time (Lennox Lewis).
I don’t think that Tyson had bad lungs. The way you beat Tyson was having a sharp quick jab and a reach advantage and hitting him when he tried to come inside. The Buster Douglas-Tyson gameplan, copied by Holyfield and Lewis later on. So if you got to the fourth or fifth round with Tyson you were punching the shit out of him, which after a while kind of takes the spring out of your step.
But even in later rounds Tyson was still dangerous. He knocked Douglas down in the eight and Buster almost didn’t make it back up. Tyson also had an incredible chin, some of the hits that he took against Holyfield and Lewis were massive.
Klitchkos beating Tyson seems obvious, like Lewis like you’re saying.
Tyson largely gets the Michael Jordan mystique treatment tho (at least from casuals - of which I am when it comes to boxing ftmp, I just get the principles from being so into MMA).
Of course Tyson was an obvious POS well before the rape conviction, but I guess people who were 12 years old back then couldn’t tell. I rooted against him in every fight. I was elated in the Buster Douglas fight.
I remember when we visited a family friend and he gave my dad a VHS of the Buster fight he’d recorded from the weekend before.
He was still stupefied. (That spelling looks funny.)
Ok, dude has world class heart, but that’s not really helping the construction.
I like when you’re on the page and posts randomly move w/ edits.
If you’re typing, it’s like seeing a mouse out of the corner of your eye.
Aww shit, wrong thread.
Don’t want to defend Tyson too much but no one is his position could have handled his level of fame and wealth. Came from nothing to be the most famous man on the planet. Bad home life and then lost the only stabilizing influence on him in 1985 when D’Amato died. Tyson reminds me of Dennis Rodman – the same shyness, insecurity and childlike temperament, and the same dependence on and trust in a mentor for stability-- D’Amato for Tyson, Chuck Daley for Rodman. Then when they lost that mentor they spiral out of control.
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