Nothing to be sorry about. This is fun. I enjoy the banter.
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More potential to slip? havent read anything else but to answer what i assume your asking…
The ev.
…still the ev even if the ice has a stall converter designed to match peak output on the powerband.
…but more importantly because you need to wait for the fuel to ignite and combust to create the energy and that isn’t instantaneous and you dont have a single gear.
I think it’s mainly a few issue, which is why fuel injected engines launch better than carbureted ones. Top fuel dragsters literally do their burnouts using alcohol but swtich to nitro for the race because it burns quicker, transferring energy faster - and is more expensive - but not needed to heat up your tires. But none of that competes with the EV in that department at getting immediate power.
im not trying to dilute the convo with my ramblings, i just like, come from a background where i had to drive cars professionally, and a really weird boat that most people tried to drive like a car and failed to do so, and so i prefer rwd vehicles because i can steer with the back of my car rather than the front. to me it feels most like boats i used to drive. it would make almost no sense to anyone who hasnt driven certain types of boats either. on boats you can steer with throttle, i dont think on teslas or other ev’s you can, and i hate that. the way forces interact with each other on different planes is a more complex physics problem than a lot of people sometimes think it is.
these types of cars drive and feel completely different than anything else - teslas feel alien to me because the car is trying to do waaaaaaaaaaay too much for me. if i get exasperated by my car’s control settings i can simply toggle it off and ride the wild horse. i got a tuning package where i can make my own tunes on the fly. its sick. why cant a tesla do that? i can even tweak them with the software with the knowledge of a child. thats what people want in a car like that, and he doesnt even give that, lol, like its such a pointless product (cybertruck tangent).
I drive in an area that probably has the highest concentration of tesla vehicles in the world, especially cybertrucks, driving around the dumb shit these drivers do has made me a better driver. i can never tell if its dumb autopilot mistakes or user error but holy shit defensive driving is back. thanks elon! thanks pete!
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Me coming home from a concert: “Holy shit, what did Elon do? This must be big”
I guess this is the best possible outcome?
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Even if a Tesla motor for some reason had to turn a crankshaft, to move pistons, to create compression, it would still have better low end torque capabilities and better and more controlled acceleration. But the tesla just needs to turn an output shaft instead so you have a flat torque curve instead of a standard curve of a traditional engine - which also means no need to have a gear ratio or multiple gears to get your engine at optimal rpms for power and endup with more power than you need. It’s just a more efficient use of energy.
Im not entirely sure but i think he said an historic instead of a historic.
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Sick brag. I took a control systems class with a pretty elite professor and it was by far the most effort I’ve ever put in just to half way understand a subject. I still don’t understand how you’re supposed to design a solution to meet all the competing requirements when the problem gets even a little complex, eg every real world problem.
I point this out every time someone says EV’s have more instantaneous torque. Your ICE has a flywheel storing enough energy to spin wheels on even the most underpowered vehicles. What people are trying to say is that the power delivery in an ICE vehicle is a continuous function with respect to time. The moving components in the engine limits the power at any moment to a tight range so there’s a pretty significant restriction to the modulation the traction control system can use. Having control over a stepwise function that can switch between 0-100% or anywhere in between with zero delay is a huge cheat code. Tesla has done a good job taking full advantage of this when it comes to accelerating. The fact that they apparently can’t do the same to handle low fiction surfaces leads me to believe there’s some other physical limitation that leads them to suck. But it’s not the EV power delivery. That should only be an advantage.
The clutch on a manual or the torque converter on an automatic are also used to modulate torque, and can do so pretty quickly. The main difference is that a combustion engine usually produces peak torque at around 4000ish RPM give or take for a gas engine. An electric motor makes peak torque right at 0.
But you’re right that EVs do have a big advantage when it comes to torque delivery. They aren’t perfectly instantaneous but there’s a reason that even a base model 3 puts up a 0-60 time that previously only high end sports cars could achieve.
How do you like the mach e? Ford has some good incentives on it right now (2500 off, 0% interest over 6 years, free charger install), plus I get employer pricing. My job just setup charge stations that are pretty well priced so I’ve been thinking about making a change.
Love it. Super fun to drive and enough technology to keep the tech geek in me happy.
So Musk did basically a nazi rally? Pretty cool.
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Might be enough to finally get myself off of twitter
Bragging wasn’t my intent. I was forced to take my last controls class because it was my weakest area. I also had a tough time understanding some topics. But I did manage to write a program to control an electric motor. If I could do it, Elon’s hardcore Tesla guys must be doing awesome work.
Tesla has done a good job taking full advantage of this when it comes to accelerating. The fact that they apparently can’t do the same to handle low fiction surfaces leads me to believe there’s some other physical limitation that leads them to suck.
I think this is true but it seems like people here on UP do not agree. My guess is it’s a cost issue and manufacturers think what they do is good enough.
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Some on the political left in Germany contended that if authorities convict any of the group’s members for projecting an illegal image, it would show — in Germany at least — that the gesture was indeed a Nazi salute and not a means of thanking the members of the audience at his speech as Musk and other have said.
Of course it won’t affect Elon’s standing in the Trump admin and would be dismissed as “woke fake news” or similar, but the Germans have some practice in determining whether or not something is a banned Nazi salute/performance.* At least until the richest man in the world pumps enough money into their politics to get the far right party elected and they can rid themselves of all that old guilt and pretend the holocaust didn’t happen. Really making the world a better place, rich guy you.
*It was a Nazi salute
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Doesn’t mention traction.
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