EVs are better at accelerating from stop than conventional vehicles. A vehicle being stuck in the snow and sand has nothing to do with its torque capability, and everything to do with traction. It’s like 95% tires at that point.
As for friction increasing with weight, that’s true on a solid surface like asphalt. But on loose dirt or snow, the coefficient of friction tends to drop as you compact it. But it’s not just as simple as heavier = more traction.
You usually want to turn off traction control when stuck in snow. Or use the snow mode which a lot of cars have now. It will let the tires spin a bit and pack in some snow, which can help increase friction.
Dunno so much about snow, but letting a bunch of air out of your tires is important for getting out of sand/sandy loose dirt. I would think it would be good for snow too.
Snow has some unique properties, mainly that it tends to stick in your tires, which snow tires use to increase friction.
Anyways, main point is that I don’t think EVs, including the cyber truck, are all that more susceptible to getting stuck. Getting stuck is 99% about ground clearance and tires. Modern cars do have traction control which will pull torque to prevent wheel slip. That’s good if you are on the road and try to accelerate beyond your grip limit. But it’s bad if you are stopped and want to use some torque to dig out. That’s why they all have an off button. Sometimes holding it will also turn off some stability control if you like to go drifting.
its this, torque has a direct relationship with friction, i dont even know what half the crap people are talking here
my car is a rwd with significant rear lbs torque, more than a cybertruck, and i have very good road tires - it has made me a much better driver because if you even sneeze on the gas at the wrong time before you’re fully tractioned you absolutely can spin out. when its raining its so bad i try not to drive. and this is with ABS, without it is psychotic. these kind of powerful vehicles arent meant to be driven on city roads, but w/e, we’re well past that point. There was actually a clause in my lease before i purchased it outright that i was not allowed to drive in icey conditions (you’d have to be insane to try anyway).
some of my favorite content online is from people crashing powerful cars they dont know how to drive, its amazing.
the one hard no for me on ev’s is all the spyware in them by default. if there was a sporty “dumb” ev and better infrastructure for charging, i could absolutely see myself in one - def not a tesla though lol. those chinese cars look decent but I’ve not read many reviews I can trust, I gotta drive a car for like a year before I know if I like it or not
It’s this, and it’s not a uniquely ev problem either. Even on combustion vehicles, they tend to use a hard low rolling resistance tire for fuel economy, which sacrifices comfort, noise, and traction. Spend the extra money on tires. It’s worth it.
I don’t care that much about car tires. It doesn’t even rain here and I drive cars very slowly. But during my motorcycling years, it was always soft, expensive tires that wear out quickly, but get good traction.
This is a mess. Let’s go back to the beginning. Let’s see if we agree that this is even a real thing that happens. Then maybe we can “take it down to the physics” just like Elon.
Consider two cars as much alike as possible except one is an EV while the other is a conventional car. So, same weight and tires, capable of delivering the same maximum torque to the wheels, etc. Same color if you think that matters. They are on the same road surface.
If they accelerate from rest, which car’s tires are more likely to slip?
needs more info to answer. by “conventional” do you mean fwd? because those drive drastically different than other drives and car profiles and may be contributing to some confusion here
I guess the way you worded it the EV is almost certainly more likely to slip because more torque = higher likelihood of slip and EVs have higher torque at a standstill. But in real world scenarios both vehicles are usually capable of delivering enough torque to slip at launch but also have traction control that will prevent it.
I think all that matters is that the cars are nearly identical. The same in every possible way except one is an electric vehicle so its wheels are driven by electric motors. So if you want to picture all-wheel-drive cars do that. If you want front or rear two-wheel-drive, picture that.
Since we were talking about cybertrucks, if people think it matters maybe picture two cybertrucks with one magically converted to operate with an internal combustion engine. But Idk if they are 2- or all-wheel drive or if it’s an option or whatever
The way the question is worded, it sounds like both the conventional and the electric vehicle would be the same (either both AWD or both RWD or both FWD). But I could see the answer being not the same for each of those cases.
theres different configurations. ive seen the highest end ones up close, theyre much different I think. i dont nerd about that car because i get trolled into bolivia anytime i mention anything positive about elon due to some ill advised wagers i have made, so it really is just curiosity. Im interested to hear what other people to say about it, because personally i HATE how teslas drive and are designed.
Well this is what I think is the case because people say EVs spin their tires relatively easily and because it makes sense for the reason you state. But maybe people don’t really observe this? That’s what I want to answer.
But in real world scenarios both vehicles are usually capable of delivering enough torque to slip at launch but also have traction control that will prevent it.
But again, people say their tires do slip. Mine certainly will and I don’t have an EV.
with rwd configs or probably even awd you have much more ability to steer with the gas pedal, if you dont understand or feel the grip on a sufficiently powerful car you will wreck it. That is why i say “traction” but i dont know the dorky car terms properly. the worst part is, insurance companies can now track your driving habits in a lot of these so if you did anything fun with it, welcome to a quadrupled policy, you naive dipshit (not talking to anyone in particular). Thats the driving i do recreationally and fafo’d doing completely legal stuff in a safe area.
The reason I do like my car is it comes with better privacy terms of service than other cars out there, even though its a gas guzzling menace to society, whatever, i can at least do with the car mostly what i please without risking it being deactivated or glitchy. that is the future car i seek, it doesnt exist. like in a tesla, i think there is almost no relationship with what you feel and what you think the car should do, at least that is how it feels when i drive them
You’re talking about a very dynamic situation, inherently complicated. I tried to describe a state that is as clear and simple as possible. If we can’t answer the question even with these assumptions I give up.