What is this 60 votes nonsense?
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Thought she tussled w/ Bernie as a desperation move because she had already fallen back? And regardless a lot people have tried to nuke Bernie but doesnāt work because there is 0.0% question about what he stands for and it is very popular. Funny how that worksā¦
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Letās also try to think all the way back to 2009 and what happened when an incoming D President spent all their political capital getting the ACA passed as a stopgap to a public option, with the idea that we could amend the ACA and add a public option later instead of trying to force everything through at once.
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Bernie says no need to get rid of filibuster because he is going to get 60 votes. Now THAT is audacity of hope, lol.
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And if you remember the blue dog democrats were never going to vote for a public option.
But Iām not allowed to mention that because itās defeatest thinking and we need to pretend Bernieās or Lizās force of will will overpower the Dem shitheads this time. Well unless itās a knock on Lizās approach - then defeatest thinking is fine.
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I thought he was going to use reconciliation for M4A. Either way, not nuking the filibuster when you have power is bad.
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Yes, and the lesson we learned from Obama getting constantly fucked over trying to play nice is you nuke the filibuster and tell them to suck your ass. Oh, youāre not on board with the public option Manchin? Cool, go caucus with the Rs and get fucked.
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Remember that time Trump said Cruzās dad killed JFK and that his wife was ugly then had Cruz leading the charge to get Trump acquitted three years later? Remember when Trump told Jeff Flake, Bob Corker, etc. to stfu and retireā¦ and they did. All because Trump gave the R base the racism and xenophobia that they craved for, and had them eating from his hand.
If the D base doesnāt want healthcare like the Rs want racism and xenophobia then you are right we will never get it.
But at least give us someone who will fight for it. Heāll fight for your healthcare like Trump does for Nazis. Bernie 2020!
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Actually, I may be incorrect about this point. What Bernie has claimed may be far more savage and also correct strategy if this Vox article is accurate:
But hereās the thing: The way the budget reconciliation rules are enforced is that senators raise points of order against bills, the Senate parliamentarian makes a judgment on whether the point of order is correct, they give that judgment to the presiding officer of the Senate (in this case, the vice president), and the presiding officer makes the actual ruling.
By custom, the presiding officer follows the advice of the parliamentarian ā but thereās nothing forcing him or her to do so.
What Sanders is saying is that he will command his vice president to ignore the parliamentarianās advice and simply rule that anything he wants to do is permissible under reconciliation. This strategy has been floated before ā Ted Cruz and Rand Paul proposed that Republicans use it during the debate over Obamacare repeal ā but never actually used, because it is, if anything, more consequential than simply destroying the filibuster, as it could be applied to all sorts of other Senate procedures as well.
āIt would mean that henceforth, all ārulesā in the Senate are subject to the blatantly partisan interpretation of the VP, who is following the dictates of the president,ā says Gregory Koger, a political scientist at the University of Miami and the author of the book Filibustering.
Kogerās objection, which lots of Senate rules wonks share, is that at least when you change the rules, you change them for everyone. Simply commanding the vice president to stop enforcing them creates a Senate where anything goes. āThis would represent a tremendous escalation of partisanship in the Senate, and of presidential control over the Senate,ā Koger says.
Lmao at this pearl clutching. If Bernie is serious about this then Iām even more of a true believer.
Bernie Sandersās plan to end the filibuster and pass Medicare-for-all - Vox
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Lmaoā¦ As if it aināt broken already.
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The issue, imo, is who is more committed and who is more likely to compromise in the interests of the major donors to their Party. Well, one of them doesnāt have a Party (and the Party faithful are dragging him for that).
Not that it matters much as far as health care goes until one of: campaign finance changes, the Parties get wrecked, or the Dems get 60 AOCs.
Imagine Attack Dog Liz overruling the parliamentarian on some consumer finance bill and casting the deciding tie-breaking vote. Iād pay the exorbitant prices for cable just to watch finance bros stroke out live on CNBC. Might even jerk off to it.
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- Mikeās money real good right now.
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So, Iām basically Warren over Bernie almost entirely cuz Iād rather have a woman, but Iāve shifted to Bernie#1 now thatās he rolling in the polls (and since Boots endorsed him (still mad @JohnnyTruant didnāt tag me when he posted that tweet tho)).
And I watched the debate in full after the fact and have thoughts that no one gives a shit about. 1) Liz was great. Duh. 2) I wish they could avoid the hand-raising, both she and Bernie looked like dumb shits doing that, but she fucking repeatedly ethered the stage and that was fantastic.
3)But I was kind of unimpressed by Bernie. Full disclosure: Iām in a bad time zone and have not yet been interested enough to watch any of the other debates later but I did this time. Do any of his Stans feel like he was a little off in this debate? I kinda hope so. He definitely was better in the 2nd half, but stillā¦ something seemed weird.
If he knew 100% how good Liz was gonna be, then my strategy (again, monday-morning QBing) for him would have been to basically never even fucking acknowledge Bloomberg by name. Maybe obliquely refer to the fact that some scumbag billionaire bought his way onto the stage, but other than that, every time anything came his way (his 3 houses? donāt respond to that, lol) he should have just Herman Cainād it and fucking 999ād health care, college tuition, minimnum wage, etc.
He should also mock the moderators. (He actually tried to and fucked it up: āWhoās winning that poll?ā If he could have landed that one, then yeah, thatās what Iām talking about. But basically, clown them.) They willingly misrepresent āsocialismā whenever they can and the fact that he doesnāt have a brilliant go-to line for that is worrying.
Anyway, Iām rambling. Iām in for Bernie, but as a theater critic watching for the first time, Iām hoping he can hit another level in these things.
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Bad sports analogy incoming: Liz has a fastball no one left in the D primary can match but she leaves a curveball hanging too often, while Bernie is out there just pitching a consistent knuckleball.
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