Democratic Primary Debates

Does anyone know what Castro’s plan actually is? I’m not clear on what the costs would be under his version of “Medicare For All”. His campaign page says “Ensure all Americans will have health care coverage at all times at a lower cost to themselves” which implies there will still be a cost. Is there an insurance premium? Co-pays? I don’t get it.

Castro’s plan for Medicare for All is to have one of the people who will become President do it.

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Ya Castro’s equity is super low. He probably should have gone harder on Biden.

Actually I think many of the candidates haven’t been going at Biden as hard as they could because they think he might be the Dem nominee and don’t want to hurt his chances or give the Republicans any ammunition.

I think it was a coincidence, yes. I mean, maybe Pablo was a little annoyed with me already because he liked nun’s posting, but I don’t think he is nun or anything like that.

I don’t think his posting style is much like nun’s either.

I don’t see any similarity at all between how Pablo posts and how nunnehi posts.

I hope nunnehi comes back, btw.

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If sleepy wins the nom, I’m going to pretend he is the most lucid, gifted orator in human history, who, as such, makes Cicero sound like an unlettered addlepate. I’m going to pretend his mental acuity is so superlative that he can recite Hamlet backwards while playing GTO PLO at 16 tables. I’m going to pretend his teeth are so well fastened in his mouth that he can chew through tension cables.

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So basically his plan is that everybody who does not have health insurance will be automatically enrolled in Medicare. If people have private insurance that meets the standards of the ACA, they can opt-out of Medicare and use the private plan. If their plan does not meet those standards, they’d have to use Medicare. Newborns would be automatically enrolled, and everyone who loses a job, or otherwise loses coverage, would be automatically enrolled.

Although his website does not say, I would assume that his plan is to have people pay the government the cost of Medicare, and then to subsidize it at certain income levels. I would assume the co-pays and such would be the same as Medicare currently is and since I’m nowhere near old enough for Medicare under the current system, I’m not sure of the exact costs there.

His plan is mediocre and lacks detail. It’s better than the opt-in plans, but not as good as the true single payer plans. Politically, though, it might be the best plan in terms of the intersection of feasibility and quality.

I’d still rather go for the true, single payer version of Medicare for All.

I’m with you, but in the mean time it’s a failure of the field and of the Democratic primary debate moderators and of the voters if his mental acuity is not discussed.

Do you actually think that if Trump wins in 2020 we’ll have anything close enough to free and fair elections for anyone other than Trump’s third term or Don Jr or Ivanka’s first term?

And even if you do, that’s still four more years of concentration camps, sending kids here for mental treatment home to Latin America to die, turning away Bahamian hurricane refugees, the Muslim Ban, etc… and that’s only through <3 years of the first term, God only knows how much worse it could get.

I think I’m the most pessimistic poster, but I fear no one will agree with me

lol pessimists. lmk when you have the courage to embrace fatalism.

Fate failed to provide me with the courage necessary to embrace it

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I’m with you, it’s driving me nuts. Like, I have nothing against old people. I do have something against old people in mental decline running the country. Such a big percentage of the country is either at that age or approaching it, dealing with mental decline or with a loved one’s mental decline or approaching it, etc, that it’s like we can’t talk about it in a presidential candidate without it being an outrage.

Watching Biden on the debate stage there are times I just want to stop him and ask him what year it is, who’s the vice president, and what did he eat for breakfast. I don’t fear a Biden presidency as much because I think the people around him will be competent and good enough that they’d protect us from any egregious blunders due to cognitive decline, but it’s still absolutely absurd.

We probably need a constitutional amendment capping the age of a president. Nobody talks about it being ageism when a 25 year old can’t be president.

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Yeah, “Medicare For All” is good branding because Medicare is popular, but it seems like it also obscures important differences between plans in terms of out-of-pocket costs. Like from what I understand, Medicare has a number of them, whereas “Medicare For All” plans from the likes of Bernie do not. Compounding how confusing this is for me, “Medicare” is also the name of Australia’s universal health care program, which sometimes has small out of pocket costs for doctor consultations (with a yearly cap) but provides hospital services free at the point of service, always.

Are we sure Biden hasn’t always been a moron?

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I have dipped into some 2008 and 2012 debates and my quick take is no. Here’s a 2007 debate, just randomly go to any point he’s speaking and he seems to be all there.

I was about to make the same claim, but weakly based on memory only, so :+1:

I don’t have a clip on hand, but IIRC my fickle fondness for him came almost entirely from him wiping the floor with Paul Ryan’s tears in the VP debate.

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That’s what everyone says, but maybe we’re remembering the highlights instead of the lowlights. He had a reputation for gaffes going back, no?

yes he had the reputation for gaffes forever, but there’s gaffes and then there’s not knowing where you buried your money