I like how Bloomberg can just buy time on cnn even if he’s not in the debate. Has he tried buying an entire news network and turning it into a 24/7 campaign?
IMO Warren intended to just create awkwardness for Bernie, and make him clarify/apologize for what he said which was probably not serious and/or taken out of context.
Instead Bernie just went full “wasn’t me, never happened”, which Warren didn’t expect and is probably a lie. So Warren is a bit pissed about that since it’s kinda cheating and that’s why she didn’t shake hands.
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Except she backed off on M4A, was a bankruptcy lawyer who protected corporate interests and did nothing to fan the flames of an obvious bullshit hit piece on Bernie.
Fuck her. Sanders was the only way to go from the beginning. Warren was a distant second for many here. Now I don’t think there’s a preferred second option for me.
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Honestly this is a big Yikes from Warren who literally as distant 3rd currently has little chance but to get VP nod or into someone’s cabinet. She had pulled many suspect moves like the insane m4a ‘plan’ and should only blame her failure on herself to this point. Maybe machiavellian political sense an ok tactical move but her intangibles are weak on sincerity so its kind of missing the forest for the trees. At this point its hard to imagine a world were Biden can beat Trump, Warren VP or not. If anything she is probably more of a liability than a strength in this slot for him since he should honestly pick a female that is younger and darker.
Sooooo… here we are where Warren literally refused to say that Sanders wasn’t a chauvanist and then refused to shake his hand. It’s kind of a penny-wise, pound-foolish strategy and a good summary of why she won’t ever be president. She wouldn’t run against Hillary and might have honestly been the president now. Today she is the toady of the Republic-crat Neo-liberal establishment and her best chance is the 45% that Biden gets the nom then Trump runner runners himself in the general. Seems unlikely.
I still think all this, but trying to leverage a private conversation like that is scummy politics. She knows full fucking well Bernie is not any kind of misogynist, but she’s still trying to leverage this against him, get the idpol crowd all sweaty. It sucks. If she really has a Plan For That then let’s hear her attack Bernie on policy, not this horseshit.
There’s thinking someone would do a good job in office and then there’s liking them as a candidate and it’s pretty hard for me to do the latter now, she’s lost a lot of respect from me.
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Imo he should of given a fake apology like “Senator Warren may have misinterpreted what I said over a year ago, and if so, I apologise.” Then launched into all the reasons why it’s ludicrous for him to have made that statement.
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It’s cool if you still support Liz but pretending to be confused by progressives souring on her is a bad look
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Like if I had to give a one sentence definition of where the left has gone wrong over the last few decades it would be “elevating the niceties of intellectual discourse over actually doing things for the community and elevating identity over class” and here’s Warren trying to do precisely that, in the most on-the-nose way possible, in order to try to take down the most left-wing candidate in the field because she can’t get one over on him any other way. I’m not just going to nod and smile at this and be like yeah, that’s cool. It’s not cool.
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It’s a bar in hillcrest, our gayborhood.
Hillcrest is pretty white
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Yea the left sure knows how to self destruct, and the recent Warren insanity itt is just another exhibit.
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I don’t think the left is self destructing. It has plenty of help.
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Dunno why the left imagines that there won’t be infighting or that there’s no infighting on the right or that Dems haven’t also done plenty of party line voting.
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When Warren and Sanders did the whole “Was 1990 within the last 30 years,” thing about nobody but Warren beating an incumbent Republican in the last 30 years, Bernie should have asked how long ago 1996 was and pointed out that one person on that stage was still a registered Republican in 1996.
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People here liked Warren because she was polling well ahead of Bernie and for a while it seemed like she was the candidate to get behind if you wanted to elect a progressive. It was always a very tenuous support.
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Lip reading:
Warren: How dare you call me a liar on national tv?
Sanders: What?
Warren: How dare you call me a liar on national tv?
Can’t tell what Sanders says back, but it includes something like “you ____ me.” You attacked me? You could’ve called me? You asked me (whether I thought a woman could win)?
So he probably said it, but not in any sort of sexist way, and of course she’s taking a private conversation between friends/allies and using it to attack him.
Look for things to stay aggressive between these two moving forward. I think the progressive dream of one dropping out to endorse the other is pretty unlikely as of now.
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I am honestly torn on this whole Bernie/Warren beef. I doubt Bernie meant it the way she says. But then again, why are we always so quick to dismiss it when a woman says it? My XX chromosomes are screaming at the misogyny of the reporting and reaction on this, even if it isn’t actually true. Hard to deny my nature and remain unbiased.
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I’m assuming you have no particular skill at lip-reading here, and if not I strongly doubt this is correct. Warren’s body language says she is not asking a question. If she were, she would be making something like a palms-up gesture. The hands clasped together is a closed gesture, she is making an assertion. She does appear to either repeat herself or to re-assert something similar with her second line and when she does that, she nods her head. It’s a gesture where she is emphasising that what she is saying is correct. People don’t nod their heads when they ask a question.
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question:
Is it better and more qualifying in politics (or life, i guess) to have never lost a race, or to have lost and possibly learned from it?
My life experience tells me the latter is better, but i’m wondering what plays better in the average voters’ minds
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DON’T GET ME STARTED… 