You will do it for me when you explain how Warren endorsed him first.
Well, why did it take so long for Liz to endorse joe?
Nah weāre on a tangent now. I need to know how on earth you thought I was saying the media is lying and/or thereās a deeper conspiracy afoot.
No idea. Not the point. Iām simply stated an absolute fact. She endorsed him after Bernie. People itt are literally saying that is not true.
I see no evidence that she backed Biden before her public endorsement. Sheās still closer to Sanders than Biden. She hasnāt appeared on Bidenās podcast (which I hear is terrible), but sheās palling around with Bernie in virtual town hall meetings.
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In 2016, Warren didnāt endorse Hillary Clinton during the primaries. She was the only woman in the Senate who didnāt do so. Despite enormous pressure, she waited until Clinton was the presumptive nominee. She was following the same pattern here, not endorsing until Biden was the presumptive nominee, which he became after Sanders dropped out and endorsed Biden himself.
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That is a a awful analogy. Trumpās statement is open to interpretation. April 12 is before April 14 is not.
Weāre back to the fact that warrens specific actions helped Biden and everyone knew that what she was doing was helping Biden. So if you want to argue that she wasnāt backing Biden, youāre also arguing that sheās quite dumb. Most people give her more credit than that.
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April 14 2019 is before April 12 2020. Chessmate.
Curious!
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Thatās a consequentialist argument. Itās like saying that the specific action of not voting for Biden in the general election helps Trump, so anyone who is not an idiot who refuses to vote for Biden is doing so because they want to help Trump.
Itās very possible that Warren stayed in the race as long as she did because she felt a moral obligation to do so, while being fully aware that it was probably helping Biden.
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If youāre going to argue that the actions of a single voting individual have a similar impact as the actions of one of the primary candidates, then have at it.
Except of course he is making no such claim, and your know that.
Sure thatās all likely true but none of that is her endorsing him as the word is commonly used in any political discussion.
Endorsement is publicly and on the record saying this is the person you should all vote for.
If people itt wanted to argue she helped Biden for a long time before she endorsed him then great. That is a whole different discussion.
6ix is the one who thought he was scoring points by pretending endorse meant something it doesnāt.
I didnāt make either of those claims. I made one simple claim and assumed one simple definition.
Endorse means what it actually means in a political context.
April 12 is before April 14.
I am sympathetic to the idea Warren hurt Bernie long before her endorsement. Iām not convinced on the motives as some of you are but donāt deny the premise.
The best kind of correct.
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Heās not even voting for Biden himself.
Johnny this is a stupid discussion. Iām not denying any of your claims about Warren before the endorsement. Iām simply pointing out they are not ENDORSEMENT as the word is used in a political context.
All endorsement is support but all support is not endorsement.
6ix knows that. Itās purposely muddying the discussion to score cheap points.
Anyone claiming that Warren is a Biden supporter is missing the fact that thereās a deep, simmering, highly personal dislike going on between those two. Sheāll take the VP slot if he offers it, but make no mistake thatās because of what itāll let her do. Itās not an accident she was basically the last major Dem primary candidate to endorse him.
She wasnāt going to commit political suicide by endorsing Bernie after he was already all but eliminatedā¦ but she also wasnāt going to swallow endorsing Biden before Bernie had dropped out. Thatās about as good as any of you anti Biden folks could have hoped for IRL from a politician.