Democratic Primaries 2020 - With a whimper

I think Cuomo would be a worse president than Biden, more aggressively and coherently pursuing a neoliberal agenda. Just look at his work in the past month pushing to turn down federal money in order to preserve cuts to Medicaid.

The very fact that M4A is being discussed as something that can/should be traded for something terrible is pretty stunning.

We have a political system that requires bargaining unfortunately. And these types of ‘would you trade x for y’ conversations are a staple of internet forums since god knows when.

Of course everyone would like to just get our way on everything. That’s extremely unlikely and hasn’t happened any time recently that I can recall.

It’s no different than discussing whether FDR was right in declining to support anti-lynching legislation in order to secure passage of New Deal legislation such as the Social Security Act.

Doesn’t this literally describe every democratic system on earth? It’s a feature, not a bug.

It was less unfortunate before the GOP went off the rails.

That’s just it, you’re describing a system from a century ago. Where is the bargaining in the American model right now? The closest you come is the Democrats bargaining within their own caucus.

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The current situation in the US is a pretty classic agency problem. There’s a conflict between the goals of the people that need help and the goals of their supposed representatives. This us why the eDems gravitate so naturally toward “vote for me, Trump bad man!” narratives.

Most functioning democracies don’t have one party that consistently bargains from a position of bad faith in their attempt to retain hold on the levers of power.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/04/29/amash-libertarian-reelect-trump/

Looks like someone smart came up with that proof jman wa…

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The limited polling we have says it’s good for Trump.

The thousands of replies to his Amash’s tweets suggest that it’s Dems who feel most nervous about his announcement. Maybe that’s just a twice-burned thrice-shy kinda thing?

What’s it matter that those morons are nervous? Who says they are going to vote for Amash?

I’d be fist pumping this line if he was in a state redder than Michigan/Penn/Wisconsin/Arizona

I don’t know in this line.

I don’t know if it matters at all. I wasn’t presenting that as proof of anything. As someone who is nervous about anything that will result in more Trump, I was kind of hoping that everyone would intuitively feel that an Amash-run would help Biden. Looking at those replies, I see that it’s not intuitive for a lot of people. That’s all.

They’re probably just morons. Who on this site voted libertarian? @Inso0 did. Inso0, will you vote for Amash if he runs? And not just a Libertarian, but a Republican turned Libertarian. Of course he’ll take more Republican votes than Democratic votes. The Dems are nervous because they hate Bernie, it makes them feel bad when they correctly interpret Bernie et al as implying that they are selfish, and not being able to handle that they prefer to think that Bernie voters are insincere posers who are going to vote for Amash out of spite or because they’re racists or sexists.

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Sorry, that kinda seems like galaxy-brain stuff there.

Really? Which Dem or sorta Dem voters do you (I mean they) imagine Amash is going to steal away from Joe?

Let’s see…who around here is nervous that Amash running will help Trump…hmm…WHEATRICH!!!

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I dunno, maybe it’s just too early here and I haven’t had enough coffee. But wouldn’t any Bernie voter who would spite-vote Amash also just spite-stay-home or spite-write-in Bernie, or even spite-vote Trump? Seems like Amash being there shouldn’t change the calculus for the people we’re talking about here.

Anyway, like I said, I don’t know. Maybe you’re right. I don’t really see any other obvious reason to think Amash is siphining Dem voters, and I’m certainly not gonna scroll through those replies very long to try and figure it out.