Ugh.
Enough with the “TRUMP=BAD” ads. Let the Lincoln Project or whatever they’re called do that.
Tell me why Biden is good.
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Because attack ads don’t work?
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I think they’re pretty worthless when you don’t have anything positive to say about your preferred candidate.
They do, but not if it’s your ONLY play.
Where are the “Joe Biden is good because x/y/z” ads?
The GOP disagrees about attack ads not working and have the results to back themselves up.
Yes I agree that some excellent positive ads would be nice.
Nowhere because as we all know how Biden sucks and the more you know about him the less you like him.
These ads are garbage. Joe has no message and no vision that he can articulate for the people other than “Trump Bad.”
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Literally nothing about how he’s going to make anyone’s life better. It doesn’t even have to be true, as we’ve seen with trump. Just throw some, “I’m going to get rid of the healthcare billing nightmare” kinda stuff out there.
Of course this is obviously what happened with Biden around the time of the SC primary. He wasn’t polling particularly well, and there was a growing sense that Bernie’s nom was a fait accompli after NV.
That being said, if Biden becomes unpalatably toxic to the DNC for whatever reason, I don’t think any of the moderates who fell in line and endorsed him early (especially Amy/Pete/Kamala) can avoid the toxicity by association.
Someone like Cuomo (or Newsom even if CA does really well over the next few months dealing with COVID) might make the most sense for the DNC.
Hopefully the Trump campaign is dumb and it sticks to attacking Biden instead of the more electorally successful route of attacking Mexicans, Muslims and this time probably Chinese.
Yeah, Liz is just not well liked by uh people enough to be the party standard bearer.
There are double standards at play. Republicans are specifically aiming to make the world worse but get votes by appealing to some voters’ basest emotions, like fear and hate. Dems are (supposedly) aiming to make the world better by helping people that need help. So Republican style ads won’t work for Dems.
I mean, the guy is not exactly a flamethrower against party orthodoxy: he endorsed Hillary and Biden and campaigned heavily for Hillary. Bernie will support just about ANYONE the DNC selects.
It is possible to build a brand without making it a cult of personality. Obviously Presidential campaigns are going to naturally coalesce around the candidate, but I think the Dems are missing an opportunity to talk about their team and goals and plan.
You don’t work in politics, I gather?
Never underestimate the amount of voters that vote based on hate.
Anyone member 2016 ffs?
In a pre-Trump world I would agree. Hope and Change worked. Bill’s message was positive and needed to be.
Trump is BY FAR the biggest motivating force for D turnout.
I really don’t think 2020 needs to be about vision.
I think it needs to be about firing Trump.
I don’t necessarily disagree but there are distinct groups at play I think.
Group A - primarily motivated by the goal of removing Trump. This group doesn’t really need to be targeted by ads. They already hate Trump, are reminded daily by Trump himself why they hate him, and are writing Opeds in the NYT about how they will vote for Biden even though they believe he’s a rapist. The benefits of advertising to this group is small.
Group B - primarily motivated by their desperate need for health care, a living wage, affordable housing, etc etc etc. The benefits of motivating this group are HUGE. They are disaffected and at significant risk of not turning out to vote (in contrast with Group A, which is frothing at the chance to stick it to Trump).
It seems nuts to me focus on pleasing Group A. The marginal benefit of that is tiny.
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There is an argument that only libs really fall for attack ads because they’re the only ones who care if people are pieces of shit or liars.
It’s pretty clear anyone considering voting for Trump doesn’t.
That said this is different. Lots and lots of olds who voted Trump are high risk and scared and they are aware that he has done a bad job on some level. My dad is a good example of this.
So while I agree attack ads for the most point are worthless against Trump, I do think they will be effective in regards to this pandemic. They don’t care if he’s a rapist, corrupt as hell, racist, idiot piece of shit. They do care that he is putting THEM at risk, or their family etc. This is the first time his idiocy has affected them on a large scale