I’m not sure if actual news is allowed in here anymore but:
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I don’t think Bernie has been perfect since 16, but I think he and his team have done a good job of spreading the message. Getting people to stop voting against their self interest is a sisyphean undertaking.
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Bernie’s messaging is pretty stale and he doesn’t do a good job of making it easy to understand. He is still saying the same things in the same way as 2016. That’s on him. So I’m on team JT on this one.
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I don’t disagree but I think it’s a tough needle to thread. Part of his appeal is that he’s been hammering the same message for 40 years.
Honestly, this comes down to lol olds.
Surely the people Bernie needs to win just have to be persuaded to vote in their self-interest, not against it, right?
It seems backwards to think of the progressive agenda as requiring altriusm from majority of voters (and definitely a bad idea to sell it that way).
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For sure. Just a poor use of language by me
It’s just like Corbyn in the UK. Very few, if any candidates can survive the media being against them. Voters are low info.
I think we’re at the point that the biggest accomplishment for Sanders will be the generation he inspired.
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It is just plain wrong that civil rights passed despite LBJ. It is also wrong to think federal civil rights legislation was inevitable.
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No, Clovis isn’t awful, it’s just that when my Sauron’s Eye saw Harris in the news I was about to make a post like,
“Dear white people, you all need to get over the awkwardness of calling this bullshit out and not be cowed by Be Quiet And Listen To Black People when you know it’s bullshit precisely because you’ve listened to black people who know it’s bullshit and you’re mainly channeling them because they’re not around to speak for themselves. Yes, I know, it’s uncomfortable but…”
Etc. So when you end up making a post like this,
it’s almost too pitch perfect, like I’m writing a Glaucon in to my script.
And it’s not that Harris is that awful (she’s pretty awful though) it’s that, to me, her existence is this platonic ideal, this personification, of what Huehuecoyotl articulated as “using identity as a shield against more left wing politics” because if the shit she’s said and done came from a white man he’d be, most deservedly so, cast out to the wilderness.
After the United States Supreme Court in Brown v. Plata (2011) declared California’s prisons so overcrowded they inflicted cruel and unusual punishment, Harris fought federal court supervision, explaining “I have a client, and I don’t get to choose my client.”[7] After California failed to fully implement the court’s order to reduce crowding, and was ordered to implement new parole programs, the State of California appealed the decision, and in court filings the AG’s office argued that if forced to release these inmates early, prisons would lose an important source of labor,[95] such as for fighting wildfires.[96] Prisoners in California earn between 8 and 37 cents per hour in maintenance and kitchen jobs;[95] prisoner firefighters receive higher pay, at $1 per hour.[96]
And man, she went on Charlemagne’s show and laughed about smoking weed when she locked up weed smokers in CA. She fucking giggled at how wacky that is!
But really, that all pales in comparison to endorsing Weekend At Biden’s! Remember how she attacked him at the debates? Turns out when push comes to shove she’s full of shit!
All the stuff in the ‘political positions’ tab:
Whoops, full of shit too!
White people are not helping by insisting that any specific black person, especially a high profile politician for God’s sake, somehow can’t be craven, amoral and full of shit. In fact, it ironically does a great disservice to the black people they claim to care about.
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Yes but It’s more like getting them to embrace a higher return/higher variance strategy when they’re underrolled for it. It isn’t actually riskier but they have been told it is their whole lives and have internalized the narrative. They’re making a rational decision based on misinformation.
Also, its not clear to them that it is in their economic self interest. Generations of ruling class propaganda is tough to fight against.
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Sometimes I wish Kate McKinnon wasn’t so talented. The Warren stuff from last night was unreal cringe
Interesting diatribe but wasn’t my point at all. I was, obviously too obliquely, alluding to the fact that Bernie lost the African American vote to Biden by like 40 points in many states.
So maybe they all don’t agree Bernie is the best candidate for them.
I mean Jesus you really thought I meant no black person can be criticized? If so, you are just not paying attention to my posting history.
It seemed to me that you were at least implying that black Biden voters shouldn’t be criticized for their poor voting choices. Am I wrong?
https://mobile.twitter.com/EmmaYourFriend/status/1236538563853942784
https://mobile.twitter.com/EmmaYourFriend/status/1236538565036781568
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No. I was stating a statistical fact and hinting at an uncomfortable truth. African Americans seem to support Biden over Bernie. I think they are wrong but am very uncomfortable with that position for the same reason we would all rail against someone from a majority community of power telling a minority community without power that we know better. It’s infantilism. It at least makes me question my position.
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I hadn’t thought about “variance” in exactly this way but I think it’s a good point. And I don’t disagree about fighting popular narratives about progressive politics. There’s probably something to be said about that in relation to framing progressive politics as going against one’s self interest as a slip of the tongue…
Fair enough, I see where the disagreement is now.
Shit, I was at the end of this follow-up when I saw you posted. Hm, I’m gonna pretend like you’re not goalpost-shifting because it still mostly applies:
Ok, so,
who did you have in mind when you posted this?
Like I said, I’m just using Harris as an avatar for the broad concept. I don’t need to post random (to me, literally first page of a google search) black people saying shit like this,
https://twitter.com/iramiof/status/1147636331264258048
https://twitter.com/vonitambrown/status/1147672311845117952
right?
I’m pretty sure reductio ad absurdum solves for this neatly. There are black trump supporters. Imagine telling some young white socialist with a poster of The Black Panthers on his wall that, “No, trump is not bad, and it’s interesting how actual African Americans don’t seem to agree with your take.”
I’m gonna share something I posted on facebook, my two cents in the ongoing discussion. People might have gathered this if they know my personal details, but my FB network is like 90% black folks. That’s not a Woker Than Thou thing, it’s just what happens when one’s dad doesn’t do the white flight and his son grows up on the south side of Chicago. These are people I’ve grown up with, went to school with, known my whole life. I don’t talk about it because it makes that whole “some of my best friends are black” trope really awkward. Like, literally ~all my best friends are black and this wasn’t my choice!
I don’t know who needs to hear this but the broad anti-capitalist, quasi-revolutionary socialist movement in this country has always been A Black Thing, due to the unholy union of slavery, capitalism, and racism.
“You show me a capitalist, and I’ll show you a bloodsucker.”
“It’s impossible for a white person to believe in capitalism and not believe in racism.”
– Malcolm X
“You can’t talk about solving the economic problem of the Negro without talking about billions of dollars. You can’t talk about ending the slums without first saying profit must be taken out of slums. You’re really tampering and getting on dangerous ground because you are messing with folk then. You are messing with captains of industry. Now this means that we are treading in difficult water, because it really means that we are saying that something is wrong with capitalism.”
“Capitalism does not permit an even flow of economic resources. With this system, a small privileged few are rich beyond conscience, and almost all others are doomed to be poor at some level. That’s the way the system works. And since we know that the system will not change the rules, we are going to have to change the system.”
– MLK
Et cetera.
Fred Hampton was murdered when he was barely old enough to take a legal drink because he tried to bring that Black Thing to the masses. You can shout ‘black power’ until your voice gives out but the moment you tell marginalized white people, no, it’s ok, now you’re starting to understand, join us, grab a pitchfork and sharpen a guillotine and get ready, that’s when you’re a real danger. That’s when you need to get dealt with.
They are lying to you and trying to whitewash or outright erase Black History when they paint the Bernie Sanders’ movement as simply composed of out-of-touch white bros from lily-white states, as somehow anti-black. I understand if the rhetoric and the semantics of the discourse is unfamiliar but substance trumps pandering and the Sanders movement and agenda, on a presidential, executive level mind you, would be the most radically pro-black agenda this country has ever seen. I’m not even saying to support the movement, just sharing some truths that transcend it, going forward.
On that note, here’s Fred:
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