@skydiver8, i wouldn’t even bother. catface knows he’s a better person than you and he’ll let you know it whenever possible given the opportunity.
Rachel falling for the toxic Bernie Bros thing and then doubling down on it is a pretty big hit on her credibility.
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Nah I’m a pretty shitty person and skydiver is probably a great person. Idk I’ve never met her. But I know for sure my politics are better, and I don’t view us as being on the same team politically simply by virtue of the fact that she supported a democrat.
What makes Bernie truly remarkable is that he won’t even sell out the global citizen, he even takes a stand for the Palestinian people, which he knows is anathema to the DemE! And the rest of the lot can’t even stand-up for their fellow Americans!
Anyway, I don’t think I am better than anyone else even if it comes across that way. It’s just depressing to have “leadership” that gives you ever possible reason to cave to cynicism.
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This is surely the way to build a winning coalition!
“Toxic Bernie Bro” hysteria aside, it isn’t the fact that people are toxic on the internet or in real life that’s the issue. The issue is, the vast majority of everyday voters out there respond better to niceness than being told they aren’t on the same team or that they are horrible people who are going to ruin the country by voting for a different person in the primary.
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I’m inclined to defend that idea that Warren was hurt a lot by sexism. Not by the snake stuff (which was merely ridiculous), but by a general, ~evenly distributed disinterest in having a lady with plans calling the shots.
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I’m on the internet (right now in fact) and I actively use twitter, and I genuinely don’t know what the snake stuff is. I’ve heard Soledad mention it and now you, but it remains a mystery to me.
lol Biden +47 in Florida
Largely drawing to death or incapacity.
https://twitter.com/RachelBitecofer/status/1235622755007180801?s=19
Isn’t this just the same argument as 2016 where in the post mortem lots of people were saying Trump won because of how mean the internet was to his supporters? It wasn’t a good take then.
I mean I agree with you somewhat we should try and be as nice as possible. And as I said earlier people’s supporters deserve far less blame than the actual candidate. I can sit here and have a bad opinion of Pete and a good opinion of you at the same time. Because you aren’t Pete. You are just a person who preferred him which does not make you a bad person.
The problem comes in when you have candidates and the media to some extent aggressively gaslighting with the HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR IT and BERNIE IS A COMMIE and then whining about how Bernie’s supporters are making fun of them for how absurd those types of statements are. Making the terrible and dishonest arguments is worse than the people making fun of those arguments.
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Bernie fans frequently used snake emojis when talking about Warren, including this forum.
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The problem is that if that becomes accepted wisdom, it makes it all the harder for female candidates.
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https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1235641204219371520?s=19
https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1235642127146770433?s=19
Dude he campaigned for a rather terrible Republican less than 2 years ago.
Debbie Downer but imo you chose the wrong moment to be optimistic. The voters had way more opportunities to realize Joe ain’t got it before today than they will through the rest of this primary.
The Biden campaign knows he’s a fuckup. They’re going to lock him in a cellar for the next few weeks. And why shouldn’t they? He just won states he was projected to lose having done zero campaigning there. His Super Tuesday Joementum will carry him through the March contests. The later states favor him. I’m not seeing the bright spot.
When her staff? leaked that Bernie told her in a private meeting that a woman couldn’t beat Florida Man (or whatever was said), within minutes she was raked as a liar and/or a 
. I’m not going to litigate the episode (it’s probably itt though if you want to search for it), but I think that’s where the snake thing originated.
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Speaking for myself, I’m just a rando shouting into the void at our country’s fucked up politics.
Despite the label you casually drop on Bernie supporters, there were hundreds of thousands of good people (much better than me) that supported him that took the time and energy to do exactly as you say, exactly as you saw in California.
Meanwhile, Joe and his people ran a WOAT campaign, stood for nothing and pulled off a victory based on name ID and back room dealings that Pete participated in. Bad! Not trying to change your mind, I just think that is bad, really, really bad!
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Do you think that Bernie and Biden are similar, at all, politically? I don’t. And Pete’s policies were much closer to Biden’s than they were to
Bernie’s.
IMO pretending that Biden/Pete want the same things Bernie and the left does is harmful. It gives the impression to voters that the outcomes of a Biden presidency will be largely the same as the outcomes of a Bernie presidency. That’s why you get people voting based on personality and how loud someone is and whether they think their neighbors will like Joe or Bernie more.
The problem is that for 50 years it has been largely correct (minus some outliers like Jackson) that every Dem candidate is going to enact essentially the same BS policies that don’t help their voters in meaningful ways or, in instances like the ACA, provide SOME help but significantly less than a proper progressive policy would.
So no, I don’t think we’re on the same team. But I think my team is better and there is room for everyone on it. I welcome people to join. I encourage people to share their stories and reasons for being on my team and hope that others will hear them and be inspired to join.
And good news - lots of people have! Every state that has voted so far has indicated they prefer a total abolition of private health insurance to keeping any form of private insurance. Progressive prosecutors are being elected across the country in large cities. There is growing support for decriminalizing illegal immigration and drug possession. Sexual assault and gender discrimination has a spotlight on it like never before. There is a movement for doubling the federal minimum wage. An Asian guy convinced millions of people to support UBI, a concept that I guarantee those people had never heard of before. A fucking self avowed socialist is currently tied for the lead in the democratic primary.
So like, yeah, I’m going to be vocal when people like Biden or Pete pretend like joining their team leads to those outcomes. They will actively fight against most of them (although I will say Pete is better on some of this stuff than Biden). And, perhaps incorrectly, I give enough credit to a bunch of grown ass adults that they can take it when I say “you’re on the wrong team” and reevaluate their stances. I was an Obama fanboy back when he pushed for a public option and closing Guantanamo in 2008, but largely due to the people in this forum I have moved away from that type of politics. I didn’t complain about Fly or microbet or whoever being mean to Obama when they pointed out that he was droning civilians. I fucking looked at it and saw it was an evil thing to do, and changed my stances accordingly.
Anyway nobody cares about my personal political manifesto, but I’m sick of people with their hot take of “don’t you think you should try being NICER” because 99% of the time what they really mean is “don’t you think I should be able to join your team while holding my current views?”. That kind of politics works when you don’t have any intention of actually DOING anything politically. Anybody can join team Biden because team Biden doesn’t actually fucking stand for anything. My team does.
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