It’s not complete bunk… there’s just a lot more stuff to look at. Those four letters are just four letters out of hundreds if you were working with future tests.
I definitely don’t think that personality testing is close to 100% bullshit… it’s just really early and there’s still a ton we don’t know.
Myers and Briggs had zero relevant qualifications.
MB is astrology
Sure. At the same time I’d argue that most psychologists/therapists of the last hundred years had about the same level of insight. I mean think about how much time we’ve invested into Freudian nonsense lol.
Testing for random character traits that are basically opposites of each other and creating ‘personality types’ is pretty silly. I’m not trying to defend MB as something that should be used, by itself, for anything. And the monetization scheme the MB people have used is obviously pretty scammy and they make a ton of dubious claims.
Still I’ve noticed that MB personality types do seem to profile people in sort of consistent ways. For instance a sizable chunk of this forum is going to be made up of INTJ’s. So like most good scams it’s got at least a little bit of truth mixed into it.
Personally I think psych as a science has a ton of untapped potential, and it’s best days are ahead of it. I also think the idea of personality testing probably has a lot of validity. None of you are attacking Big 5 with the same level of ferocity you’re coming for MB for instance. I think personality tests are going to get better and better, particularly as we start to understand the neuro aspects of psych better and better.
I’ve been a clinical psychologist for nearly 30 years, and I episodically perform presurgical assessments that include standardized personality tests.
FWIW, I’ve never studied, administered or taken an MBI. In fact, I don’t even know all of the factors it purports to measure.
So what are your thoughts about personality testing? I’m super curious. I’m obviously a very minimally informed layperson by comparison lol.
MBTI is subject to huge confirmation bias. Makes it essentially useless.
Fortunately, I don’t have any deplorable relatives (I don’t have many close relatives, so if any are deplorables, I’m not in touch with them, anyway). I was just entertained, though, eaves-dropping on a deplorable at McDonald’s.
I was eating by myself while my daughter was at practice and this lady was with what appeared to be her parents, her kid, and another couple which may have been her brother and sister-in-law. The little girl somehow brought up Trump and said that nobody in her class likes him. I got the impression that she didn’t, either. I think she said he wasn’t nice.
The mom told her not to talk politics at the table and that she should at least “have respect for the office of the President.” The grandma said something about Trump not having respect. Then mom got all upset, saying she doesn’t need talk politics with a 7-year old while she’s trying to eat dinner.
She tried to say how she didn’t agree with everything Trump said and how there was “too much hate on both sides.” I didn’t hear everything, but I definitely heard the lady ask her mother, “How are your investments doing? How did they do under Obama?”
I think she saw me smirk at that. I REALLY wanted to show her a stock market chart, but didn’t feel like getting yelled at.
I honestly have a hard time believing there’s really Awvals out there. There’s really “fuck you I got my $5000 tax cut so everything else is fine”. I mean the people who have high enough income to get a 4 figure tax cut (like myself) are going to literally do nothing with it - it means nothing. A number somewhere that doesn’t affect our lives at all. In exchange we get… this. Unfunded deficit raising bill and this exhausting administration. Who is so incredibly selfish that all of this is worth it?
Most people.
Most deplorables don’t even care about that.
The reality is that Trump supporters aren’t salt of the Earth type lower-class types. They’re upper-middle class business managers and landlords who are still angry over Obama saluting with a latte and ordering dijon mustard on a burger that one time.
They like Trump because he’s a cartoonishly exaggerated version of who they are as people. They don’t care about policy because they don’t know anything about policy. They don’t want to know about it. They want to be ignorant so much that they find the pursuit of knowledge through education to be liberal brainwashing. They just want to have a leader who touches the culture warrior issues that have been embedded into their skulls through a decade of Hannity, O’Reilly, and Carlson yelling at them about how hip-hop listening black people wearing saggy pants are the downfall of society.
The lives of Trump supporters are so comfortable that they have to actively seek out things to be angry about. Asylum seekers being separated from their parents and an increase in hate crimes exist because they saw FOX News report on Kaepernick kneeling.
Always interesting (in an anger-inducing way) to talk to my mother about anything serious. I was discussing how difficult it is to find affordable housing and how many locals here in Prague are suffering due to slumlords and AirBnB and the like. My mother shrugs her shoulders and goes,
“That’s how capitalism works though. You can fault these people for making money.”
“Yeah but it makes it hard for people like your son to find housing. You’ve got people who are being forced out of their flats due to the rent skyrocketing all around them.”
“That’s just the way it is though. People buy them up and…”
Aside from the lack of empathy for her own son’s situation, it also came to my mind that her mega-deplorable boyfriend is a landlord in NYC. It’s no surprise that given him probably bitching about being a landlord likely influences my mother’s perspective more than her own son who lives thousands of miles away.
It is something to remember about deplorables. That their lack of empathy can be so deep that their children matter less than their political beliefs.
Dude,
$14/night. You gotta stay at the Hare Krishna airbnb.
Place I’m currently staying at is slightly cheaper and if you were here you’d see why.
By today’s standards, I got a great deal on a 2-room flat. Five years ago, people would be saying that I got ripped off. I sign the rental contract Tuesday and I’m glad of it. Can start moving my things in piecemeal over the week as it’s close to work and then move over the rest next weekend.
Nice, but no chanting and dancing included.
You don’t know Bob after a few litres of Velkopopovicky.
I can’t drink a liter of beer in one sitting without getting a hangover the next day. My alcohol tolerance is pretty much nothing. My colleagues in Sheffield took the piss out of me for that pretty regularly.
To transition back on topic, the average deplorable has to drink way more alcohol than a non-deplorable, right?
Most of my friends are super liberal booze hounds.
Yeah, I’m not sure if you’re from the US but generally speaking people from the northeast here love their beer. Hipsters and craft beers and all that swing pretty left.