I know from experience that anything is an icu bed if you’re brave enough. Shit I’ve used chairs.
This won’t be a popular take, but maybe we need to root for some of these high profile morons like Abbott to not make a smooth comeback from covid. As long as it’s just the plebes that are the long haulers and dying, the covidiots will never take it more seriously than fake news
Probably need some state to have its health care system completely collapse as an example for all to see.
Sort of what we were talking about yesterday and why boosters are coming
In Ontario it is definitely the hospitals getting swamped is the main trigger. No amount of daily deaths on an Excel chart stirs the political will to get things done. People are on average fine with a bunch of other people dying so that they can keep shopping and eating out. I mean, even before COVID that was the case. It’s been a basic feature of Western capitalism for decades.
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These people need to suffer.
https://twitter.com/abcnews4dean/status/1427832596650729476?s=21
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I think we already knew this but I had a real eye-opening moment when an antivaxxer in a frequent flyer group told me that I “only helped myself” by getting the vaccine. Zero irony, dude actually believes this.
These dipshits are literally incapable of evaluating anything in terms other than “how does this effect ME PERSONALLY”. so of course they think that anyone advocating for vaxx mandates “fears the unvaccinated” - they literally cannot understand the idea that unvaccinated people create problems for other people, much less comprehend an idea like worrying about the healthcare system collapsing.
And normal humans don’t understand how this whole thing became politicized because they take republicans at their word and assume that their overt policy ideas are actually what they care about, they completely missed that the GOP has been re-organizing their coalition with completely selfish shitbags as their core constituency for decades.
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The past 18 months are recognizable to anyone that has ever had a toddler, we spent literally months of our lives trying to explain to adult deplorables that they’re supposed to care about other people and they just keep saying “BUT WHYYYYYYYYYY?” in a whiny toddler voice. Eventually parents just break and use their authority to force the toddler to shut the fuck up and do what it’s told, we should have been doing that with deplorables for years now even before Covid but people close to power just keep trying to come to a reasonable agreement with the fucking toddlers in our society having meltdowns.
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Ugh. Im about to lose my shit with my dads girlfriend.
Hes 82.
After 18 months of me being ultra cautious while she has
- organised a birthday party for him in the middle of a lockdown
- helped him break social distancing rules multiple times
- judged me for not spending time with him (because i restricted contact during peak lockdown to a weekly masked walk outside)
Shes now asking repeated questions via him about why i haven’t had the vaccine… because shes worried im going to give her family covid via him.
(Im too young for the vaccine in Australia still by a year)
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It won’t even matter. The places hit hardest now care the least. They don’t worry about covid, and they don’t worry about not being able to receive treatment from overflowed hospitals. Half the country thinks it’s a hoax cooked up by the Chinese and the communists to steal their freedom. Full stop. No more lockdowns, ever. Doesn’t matter if we get a million fake cases a minute or 10k fake deaths a day.
They won, and our prize is getting real sick every once in a while, and a new thing that kills a bunch of folks forever.
Every man woman and child for themselves, same as it’s been from the start.
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A common experience sadly. As an aside, do you have care responsibilities for your father at all because you can get Pfizer vaccine if you do?
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I do. Im going to have a look at that. I wasnt aware.
Yeah a friend of mine is getting it this weekend and he’s 27 and is eligible just because he lives with his father who has cancer
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In some twisted way, I think people treat deplorables like children, but they also should be treating their actual children more like adults. There’s a classic parenting blunder where you present something as a choice to a kid when actually it’s a requirement. “Ohhh Billy, don’t you think it’s time to put your shoes on so we can go to school?” Billy does not believe it’s time for that. “Remember Billy, we don’t want to be late, do we?” Billy is actually not concerned about being late. “But if you’re late to school, then Mommy will be late to work. You don’t want that, do you?” And so forth.
This is ineffective parenting, but it’s also fundamentally disrespectful. You’re trying to manipulate Billy into feeling a certain way so that he will act in the way that you require. But Billy doesn’t actually feel like going to school is important. Billy should feel that his feelings, whatever they are, are OK and accepted by his parents. Instead, his parents are using trickery and eventually force to try to make him feel differently. That’s no good at all.
Instead, it’s better for everyone to work on the basis that some decisions are going to be made about how things go, and that everyone can feel about those decisions however they want (and have appropriate understanding of, and input into, how they are made), but at the end of the day everyone is required to conform their behavior to what’s been decided.
Obvious parallels to vaccines are obvious, but people ITT have literally been reduced to hoping that antivaxxers will have close acquaintances die so that the antivaxxers will have a conversion experience and get their shots. It’s nuts. Other people have very different personalities and experiences and philosophies that make them see things in a completely incompatible way to people ITT. And that’s OK! It’s a rich tapestry, etc., etc., maybe one day we’ll be stuck in our backwoods hometowns over Christmas for a while due to a series of improbable coincidences and fall in love with the improbably beautiful woman who runs the improbably viable used bookstore and we’ll learn to value the simple, honest values of real America (or real Canada, as the case may be) that we left behind when we moved to the big city.
But none of that makes it OK for people not to get their shots when there’s a deadly pandemic raging through the country. Our wise Founding Fathers (or the wise government of Her Majesty Queen Victoria, as the case may be) gifted us with a rather complicated system for making decisions collectively that are then binding on everyone, even people who disagree with them! If a solid majority of people believe that we need everyone to get vaccines to protect our country against this deadly disease, then we should not think of increasingly roundabout ways to trick people into feeling the same way. Instead, we should listen respectfully to their views and then, assuming we don’t find those views persuasive (they aren’t), commiserate with them about the unfortunate situation they find themselves in, then make them get the shot anyways.
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I’ve been having issues getting my two-year-old son dressed for the morning lately and I’ve taken to sitting on him as he screams and cries until I’m finished and then he gets up, hugs me and is all smiles immediately afterwards. Long story short let’s force these people to get the vaccine and then give them a free drink coupon at Applebee’s and they’ll be pleased as punch
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Passed 1000 deaths a day again. Growing COVID deaths year over year from 2020 to 2021 now in play.
Don’t think this is ponied. Don’t see how we ever stop this thing from continually mutating endlessly at this point.
This is also kind of wild and makes you start thinking some strange thoughts: Three wild deer blood samples from January 2020, when the virus was just beginning to spread in the U.S., also contained antibodies, Nature reports.
How the fuck do deer have the Covid virus in Jan 2020?
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Assuming the reports about Abbott being fully vaccinated are true, I think this would be really bad.
This isn’t what I think at at all. I’m hoping that enough people will die so that people who have been overly permissive will snap and realize it’s okay to make decisions that force some people to do what they don’t want to do, no matter how much they whine.
https://twitter.com/segal_eran/status/1427696623988117505?s=20
Can’t vouch for the source and can’t find the original, which is apparently in Hebrew anyways. But assuming it’s based on some solid data, this seems like pretty strong evidence of a decline in efficacy (against infection). Not sure what the corresponding picture looks like for hospitalization/death, which would be obviously be much more important.
I wonder if we end up in some kind of multi-tiered system eventually. It’s critically important to keep the elderly and other vulnerable groups well-protected, since they’re so very much more likely to die or be hospitalized from COVID. A lot of the benefit from vaccinating younger folks comes from keeping the disease from spreading (which, lol), and it’s plausible that even partially degraded vaccine protection is enough to keep a 30 year old out of the hospital. Could be a good compromise between wasting a bunch of doses on people who don’t really need them while also keeping up protection for the people who really do.
Also, people should probably be nagging their vaccinated parents to get back into ultra-cautious mode for a little while.