COVID-19: Chapter 8 - Ongoing source of viral information, and a little fun

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I’ve been wondering what would have happened if the Biden administration had done its best from the beginning to frame this as an actual war.

Consistent, top-to-bottom messaging about how the virus is the common enemy, it’s out there trying to kill all of us, and everybody needs to pull together and do their part to defeat the scourge of Covid, etc. Really tie defeating the virus to a sense of duty and patriotism. Go all in with the martial language: “fight”, “battle”, “war”, “sacrifice”, and eventually “victory”

Obviously Trump poisoned everything and many people would respond to this reflexively and politically, but I think it could have made a big difference in preventing at least some of the culture-war framing that has settled in.

And maybe I’m sweet-summer-childing, but I’m not even sure it’s too late to try it now.

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Was never gonna work, since 35% of the population is itching to take up arms and fight for team virus.

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War of liberal aggression

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:frowning_face: But Rick DeSantis could never get re-elected if he was branded a “covid sympathizer”!

They could even pay Hollywood to pump out some propaganda movies where the Covid Symps get what they deserve.

NH and VT have real winters. In that vein, Boston has great schools. The other place closer to your home would be NC in the triangle. I have no specific information, but I would guess the schools are good and have mandates and that there would be a market for affordable apartments for grad students.

man the mood on my medtwitter follows and Facebook groups (I know, but lots of doctors have the olds) is super dark right now. Might have a set of physicians just fucking quit if this doesn’t change.

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Can you guys help me confirm that my math is correct?

For 0-12 in Florida last week the covid rate was 476/100,000

My county has 2.6% higher average than the state of Florida, so 488/100,000

The chance that someone aged 0-12 does not have covid this week is .99512

If there are 22 other kids in my daughter’s class then the chances that none of them have covid next week is .99512^22 = 89.79%

So there is basically a 10% chance that someone has covid in the first week of school.

The data suggests that next week’s covid rate will be even higher, so this number will be higher as well.

Also, school age children will invariably have a higher rate than infants, so the initial number I started with (476/100,000) is actually higher.

If what doesn’t change? The apathy towards vaccinations? The defiance of common sense measures like masks? The feeling that nobody cares how overwhelmed you are? The lie that you’re faking covid deaths to make extra money? We hear a lot from physicians on air, but they’re always very smart and measured. Maybe we need to hear from some who are mad as hell and ready to go off on these morons.

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https://twitter.com/wdsu/status/1423720977658269703?s=21

The nurses are doing even worse. They’re already quitting en masse. Travel nurses are getting 2-6k a week and agency are getting 50/hr here in central Texas.

They aren’t paying that for charity, they’re paying that much because their staff nurses are stampeding out the door.

Honestly my biggest stressor is not having enough nurses. I can take care of 30-40 very sick people at once if I have good nurses that are well staffed. Instead about 1/3rd of our ER is closed as we don’t have enough nurses.

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Kids with positive COVID tests don’t go to school though. The number you need is the portion of untested kids who are positive and aren’t showing symptoms that would exclude them from school.

… That’s probably because every single one of the staff nurses should quit. There’s absolutely no reason any of them should be willing to continue to put up with the abusive relationship between administration, the doctors (no offense this isn’t universal or anything), and the nursing staff.

They deserve ~50% more money and fixed regulated staffing ratios. Until they get that it makes zero sense for them to even stay in the occupation.

Our nurses are some of the highest paid in the nation with cushy ratios mandated by the state. I’d agree if I was in NYC or lots of other areas. Hard pass on where I work now. Our issue is that our service area is growing and we need more nurses anyways. Not enough people to hire out there right now, at least quickly. We have some travelers coming in but it will still be a few weeks.

I’m super tight with my nurses as well, and despite the ‘no offense’ that comment bothers me a lot.

Wish I had a better answer. There’s just a ton of anger.

Seems like a case of the media massaging the story to find the most sensationalist angle. Some numbers:

  • LA has had 21k new COVID cases in the last four days.
  • 14.6% of LA’s population is under 10, and an additional 16% is under 20. (source)
  • 37% of LA’s population is fully vaccinated. According to your link, 13% of 12-18 group are vaccinated. Extrapolate the 13% rate to the whole 10-19 group, and algebra gives us a 50.3% vaccination rate for the 20+ group.
  • This means that, conservatively, the susceptible populations are 14.6 percentage points under 10, 13.9 percentage points 10-19, and 34.5 percentage points 20+. In other words, ~45% of the susceptible population is under 20.
  • The “fair” share of COVID cases for the pediatric group would therefore be about 9500 cases over the last four days.
  • Even if you ignore vaccines entirely, a kid who’s under 18 is less than half as likely to be a case than an adult.

The real story seems to be that young immune systems continue to be remarkably resistant to the disease.

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It’d work as well as the war on drugs?

you wrote all that out without realizing that a doubling time of 4 days is really fucking bad? Come on bob we know better. That’s on pace for almost 100k cases in 16 days, and that’s before everyone is back in school again (And surely you won’t say kids won’t spread it in schools still right?)

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The inability to still not understand the difference between the concepts of absolute and relative numbers is mystifying.

80% of really fucking horrible is still at least really fucking bad.

“Less” transmission and disease is doing a lot of goddamn work for some folks.

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