Fever remains quite common but loss of smell no longer appears in the top 10 symptoms, Prof Spector says.
The article literally says fever remains quite common.
So today a brit said fever/cough/sob/diarrhea weren’t symptoms of covid and the usual suspects are going to stan for this idiocy based on something they’ve yet to cite and almost certainly don’t understand. Thanks for shitting in the thread guys. Appreciate it. You’re wrong.
Best as I can tell, cold-like symptoms are more emphasized, fever and loss of taste are less common than before but still very much symptoms. And again, the earlier strains are still bouncing around.
The article actually says
The classic Covid symptoms people should look out for, the NHS says, are:
- cough
- fever
- loss of smell or taste
But Prof Spector says these are now less common, based on the data the Zoe team has been receiving from thousands of people who have logged their symptoms on an app.
You can’t authoritatively say fever is not a delta symptom, then use the article as a citation, when the article literally says “fever remains quite common”.
Words have meaning.
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Yes jal, less common (and ofc the relative drop isn’t given). They’re still symptoms of covid. As Marty says, do you think we’re buttoned up in the back?
Like maybe in between shitting on my medical expertise you could focus on critically reading articles at a high school level, or more likely, stop trolling this thread.
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I was comparing the medical expertise of an ER doctor with a professor specialising in covid symptoms, which is what’s being discussed here.
Maybe we can agree that the frequency of some symptoms is different enough in delta to have been picked up by the professor’s more extensive study?
So basically you’re saying churchill should have just said “those are generally less likely to be delta symptoms than previous variants”. Instead of stating “those aren’t delta symptoms”, followed by “google is your friend”.
I agree.
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I have more than a passing familiarity with this particular study and it is exactly this. Saying “those aren’t delta symptoms” is flat wrong, period.
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btw, every fucking person I’ve admitted with covid, in an area where our internal stuff suggests we’re 80-90% delta variant, literally every single one has had fevers, cough, body aches and shortness of breath. Nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and chest pain are common too.
That doesn’t mean these other more URI symptoms of rhinorrhea and etc listed above aren’t symptoms of covid too, but they also aren’t symptoms of someone who is moderately to severely ill of covid when you have just those symptoms either.
The point of bringing up those symptoms is to demonstrate that this person wasn’t systemically ill from covid. He didn’t develop pancreatitis, kidney failure, dka and etc from covid. I literally go on to say that I think an asymptomatic re-infection is most likely and use this case as a way to talk about how hard it is to say something for sure.
Possibly? How about you actually post the study? I can’t actually find it - I can only see a few very thin media reports about it. Then someone who has a passing idea of what they’re talking about it can look at it.
Honestly, I’m guessing you’ve never seen it. I know you don’t have the ability to evaluate it. Yet where here, with you trying to spin this as if Churchill wasn’t blatantly fucking trolling.
No, you went much further than that. You said I was a jack of all trades. I’m a specialist in emergency medicine. Put some damn respect on that. You don’t get to minimize that.
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Was Churchill blatantly trolling or was Churchill just being dumb with poor reading comprehension and command of the English language?
The way you are arguing suggests to me that you think diarrhea might actually be a counter-indication against COVID.
Because the BBC is now not a reliable source? lol
It’s not your say whether people can discuss media reports of studies.
Here’s another report.
Note the title.
So what are the common signs and symptoms of the Delta variant?
Using a self-reporting system through a mobile app, data from the United Kingdom suggest the most common COVID symptoms may have changed from those we traditionally associated with the virus.
The reports don’t take into account which COVID variant participants are infected with. But given Delta is predominating in the UK at present, it’s a safe bet the symptoms we see here reflect the Delta variant.
While fever and cough have always been common COVID symptoms, and headache and sore throat have traditionally presented for some people, a runny nose was rarely reported in earlier data. Meanwhile, loss of smell, which was originally quite common, now ranks ninth.
There are a few reasons we could be seeing the symptoms evolving in this way. It may be because data were originally coming mainly from patients presenting to hospital who were therefore likely to be sicker. And given the higher rates of vaccination coverage in older age groups, younger people are now accounting for a greater proportion of COVID cases, and they tend to experience milder symptoms.
It could also be because of the evolution of the virus, and the different characteristics (viral factors) of the Delta variant. But why exactly symptoms could be changing remains uncertain.
@suzzer99 Runny nose is a common delta symptom but wasn’t before. Loss of sense of smell is now rarer.
Seems quite reasonable that someone looking at the media reports would summarise them by saying something like churchill did - that the symptoms are no longer the same.
No, because it’s thin. It’s not actually the study. It’s several paragraphs with no actual data.
This new link also does not include the actual study or data. For example, it says it’s different, but doesn’t actually say exactly why. It also doesn’t include the top 10 it references.
All of which is irrelevant to Churchill’s and fidgets talk about what the real symptoms of covid are.
And I’m guessing the specificity of #4 and #5 on that list are a lot higher than #1, #2, and #3.
It also shouldn’t be surprising that self-reported symptoms via a mobile app would include more “minor” symptoms like headache or runny nose. We’re talking about a completely different cohort of people here: people who have tested positive for the virus (the study, I think? can’t find that information) vs people who are sick enough to go to the emergency room.
I guess I can thank churchill for making me aware that Delta might have a higher prevalence of cold-like symptoms than other variants, but it still doesn’t make his statements correct.
Mostly I’m just amused that he told me to Google it after I posted a screenshot of Google 
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First off, your list was wrong (sneezing was not in the top 5). Second you did more than that didn’t you?
Anyways, I really wanted to talk about the difficulties of establishing re-infection today, and I’d like to thank jal, fidget and churchill for fucking ruining any sort of productive discussion. Thanks guys.
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