? Isnât this what the CDC has been saying since the start? Feel like Iâm taking crazy pills or something, but I donât recall them ever saying that this respiratory virus isnât mainly spread via the air.
This J&J pause is terrible news and terrible timing. And it creates the absolutely perfect âI told you soâ moment for the morons who werenât ever getting vaccinated but were saying âitâs just too early, theres not enough data on these vaccines. They were rushed.â
As always, the inability for the vast majority of the population to understand very basic math is infuriating.
The whole droplet vs aerosol debate they were behind the curve.
Wash your hands and hygiene theater.
The first was deadly.
The second is good policy regardless. Certainly taken to an extreme but a reasonable precaution considering the unknowns.
It seems pretty easy. Make the conservative assumption until there is clear and convincing evidence. Weigh the greater harm.
This J&J thing seems like a misstep. Disease/lives saved from the vaccine is probably orders of magnitude more than any clotting risk. And that is just not getting shots into willing arms- not factoring increased hesitancy.
Because every news story doesnât start with the real numbers.
1:1000 of getting blood clots under normal conditions and 1:3 with covid.
Iâll revise, any story that doesnât start with those numbers is malpractice.
Agree, but when tf did they ever say it wasnât overwhelmingly spread through the air vs via surfaces?
Itâs dumb, loaded language. Washing your hands is still a good idea. Obviously people can go overboard, but invoking âhygiene theaterâ sure seems like a dubious message.
People arenât going to get vaccinated if they think thereâs a 1 in a million chance that it will kill them. Thatâs just no how people work. Think the best way to handle this is make the J&J available to people who want it but keep it out of the main supply. idk, this news is going to be disastrous no matter what they do.
sounds like the J&J vax actually prevents blood clots
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If this J&J pause interrupts production of the vaccine for 5 minutes people should be put in the guillotine. Not figuratively. Literally.
You joke but itâs hard to see how that claim is any less scientifically valid as the one that the vaccine causes blood clots. What is the evidence of causation here at all? This seems like a level one correlation equals causation error.
The aerosol piece was actively denied by both CDC and WHO. Iâm not sure WHO has ever gotten on board. Itâs lol 3 vs 6 feet for aerosols. That has much more to do with ventilation vs distance. While the difference may seem esoteric, in practice the messaging and mitigation are different.
Yes, I agree, they fucked up there. WTF does that have to do with what the article is saying? Either way, thereâs never been any dispute that itâs transmitted through the air primarily and surface transmission is far less likely.
I donât think they are pausing production, just use. It sounds like there is a rare side effect that is potentially fatal if treated incorrectly and they are just doing their due diligence since blood clots were not listed as a possible side effect, so it hasnât been studied. Especially since the vaccine has only been approved under emergency use authorization, I think it is reasonable to take some time on this and not cut corners.
Nah, that wasnât what the CDC was saying back circa like march and maybe early April of 20 I think. They did update the guidance pretty quickly though.
I can guarantee all progress I made with getting my parents vaccinated has been lost. Terrible news.
Leaked question from the CDCâs aptitude test for new hires:
- A trolley is barrelling out of control down a track. Many thousands of people are tied to the track, and the trolley will surely kill all of them if it isnât stopped. You can flip a switch that will divert the trolley to an unused siding, where it will safely roll to a stop. However, if you do, 6 people will get a weird rash. What action do you take?
A. Throw the switch. Protecting human life is the highest value.
B. Donât throw the switch. Inflicting weird rashes on people is an unacceptable cost.
C. âPauseâ on your decision whether or not to throw the switch out of an âabundance of cautionâ while you gather more information on weird rashes. Convene many meetings to disperse accountability through the bureaucracy. When the trolley kills the people, complain about inadequate funding.Answer Key: (C)
You are wrong. Period.
Sure weâve got plenty of time. Itâs not like thereâs not a massive pandemic creating variants out there and we donât have to very quickly fight a demand for supply in many parts of the country and vaccine hesitancy in others.
Are you sure? They thought a respiratory disease was primarily spread by surfaces?
They probably paused in part to make sure it really is one in a million, if it is they will probably restart. I donât think this is a hang the FDA thing, just a shitty thing that happened that will exacerbated by a hyper divided/hyper politicized populace and the USâs all-in in vaccine strategy. I do agree the net outcome of the pause is likely negative.
A two-paragraph quote that perfectly encapsulates how far up its ass the public health establishment has its head about COVID doesnât exisâ
âItâs a very rare event. Youâre talking about 1 per million, and when you give millions of doses of vaccines, you will see events like this that you couldnât see in the clinical trial just because you didnât have millions of people enrolled,â Dr. Carlos del Rio, executive associate dean of the Emory University School of Medicine at Grady Health System, told CNNâs John Berman and Poppy Harlow on Tuesday morning.
âBut I want to congratulate the CDC and the FDA for very quickly jumping on it, halting the vaccinations until we know more, and really trying to understand whatâs going on,â del Rio said. âI think vaccine safety has always been a priority â and I think this is exactly the right move until we understand whatâs going on and whatâs the way forward.â