or splanchnic vein thrombosis
I havenât read the article, but Iâm pretty sure they are. Maybe theyâre not what comes to your mind when someone says âbrain diseaseâ, but to describe them as such is not inaccurate.
Donât we have a pro around here? Surf? Maybe @Surf can help us out.
Hereâs the BBC version
Anxiety and mood disorders were the most common diagnosis among those with Covid, and these were more likely to be down to the stress of the experience of being very ill or taken to hospital, the researchers explained.
Conditions like stroke and dementia were more likely to be down to the biological impacts of the virus itself, or of the bodyâs reaction to infection in general.
Prof Dame Til Wykes, at the Institute of Psychiatry, Psychology and Neuroscience, Kingâs College London, said: "The study confirms our suspicions that a Covid-19 diagnosis is not just related to respiratory symptoms, it is also related to psychiatric and neurological problems.
"Looking over six months after diagnosis has demonstrated that the âafter-effectsâ can appear much later than expected - something that is no surprise to those suffering from Long Covid.
âAlthough as expected, the outcomes are more serious in those admitted to hospital, the study does point out that serious effects are also evident in those who had not been admitted to hospital.â
So kids are all going back to full classrooms in Fall?
Thereâs no firm definition of âlong covidâ. However, we know that people who are critically ill suffer a wide variety of consequences even if they survive. The concern from many people was that people with mild courses of covid suffering from âbrain fogâ and weakness for months on end. Thereâs very little support for that.
Yeah it is also 3 dead out of 2.1 million vaccinated in Michigan, all over 65, all relatively close to the time the vaccine was administered (think three weeks). I wish they didnt die but really changes zero about how I think about the vax
But thatâs kind of the point. In a headline, the technical definition isnât relevant. Itâs the meaning thatâs conveyed. People donât think anxiety when thinking brain disease. They think of neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimerâs and Parkinsonâs.
Brain disease was deliberately chosen to shock and scare people. Then to go from that to connecting anxiety and personality disorders to them the article as though theyâre all the same as really ignorant.
Still havenât read the article, but, if anything, I think the problem is that people donât consider those things âbrain diseaseâ. There would probably be a lot less stigma associated with mental illness if people didnât think of them as less of a brain disease than someone having a stroke.
Iâll concur with CN.
Serious case of Covid and you have lasting health effects is not âlong covidâ
Rather Long Covid is things people are claiming that are people that had mild to asymptotic cases with nebulous connection to the known disease factors.
My wifeâs Uncle that has poor long elasticity is not long cousin.
Her cousin that wasnât really sick but has fatigue and brain fog 5 months later- thatâs long Covid.
Concur?
Some of those long covid people in articles were marathon runners and fitness instructors and stuff. Super motivated, super active people. I find it hard to believe they suddenly came down with psychosomatic chronic fatigue syndrome-type conditions.
They literally talk about trying to push themselves a little too hard and then being in severe pain the next day.
The Swedish guy I know ran half marathons and stuff said his âlungs hurtâ if he tried to jog a mile. 6 months later he said heâs getting back to close to normal. He wasnât hospitalized but did get pretty sick for a few days. Are we including him in our psychosomatic category?
My friend, who didnât get super sick, still canât taste 3 months later. Thatâs neurological. Are we saying sheâs making that up? Iâm not being snarky Iâm just trying to ascertain which people weâre putting the long-haul myth category.
There was that one story about the woman who had a fever of like 103 for like 5 months. Thatâs an example of what I think we commonly think of as âlong covid.â Weird symptoms that just persist. Not just âyou almost died and now have serious lung damage for the rest of your life.â
Elite athletes experiencing pleuritic pain and not being able to hit prior peak performance is not long covid. I can explain that quite easily, they likely have ground glass opacities in their lungs and reduced tidal volumes. That irritation also hurts. Those changes to your lungs persist for some time as well.
Losing taste isnât âlong covidâ either. The fact that covid can affect cranial nerves, like a multitude of other viruses, isnât good evidence for âbrain fogâ
Last March, she noticed that she couldnât taste or smell anything, following a week of flu-like symptoms.
It was the start of a month of âhellâ, stuck at home with her flatmate who was also suffering with the virus.
The 31-year-old spent much of that month terrified, as she struggled to catch a breath. Doctors told her not to go to hospital because she didnât have a fever or cough, so she waited it out at home.
Just got my 2nd shot. Holy shit, it fucking hurt.
Yes I wish there were good definitions but itâs science and medicine in real time.
You had known damage and the damage persists vs the overall cluster of vague stuff.
From my personal standpoint, itâs not a judgement that people are imagining things and Iâm certain that several of these will be found to have known physiology. Others will not.
Escape what prosecutions?
This is a beautiful example of why you should be skeptical of long covid.
- Basic proof that you even had COVID when this started? Nope.
- Atypical description of some medical symptom (in this case, pleuritis)
- Secondary gain? Yup.
- Utter nonsense (In June, she tried to do 10 minutes of stretching but it left her bed-bound for a week)
- Symptoms typical for depression/anxiety (Weight loss, irregular menstrual cycles, acid reflux, an increased heart-rate, palpitations and insomnia)
- Multiple negative workups
- Medical jargon that is utter horseshit (She learned she had developed a âdysfunctional breathing patternâ due to experiencing low oxygen levels.)
- Nonsense medical treatments (taking blood thinners for âsmall blood clotsâ to clear them - blood thinners donât clear blood clots)
- Likely incidental findings described as serious (fluid around the heart)
The only thing I canât immediately explain is presumably the DLCO testing she did (the gas transfer stuff). That number is lower than I would have expected, but not close to low enough to explain her symptoms. Not sure what the accuracy of this kind of testing would be or how applicable it is to what theyâre trying to do. Iâm not a pulmonologist.
In college, I developed a weird pattern of movement: I would shake my head no ans lift up my elbows involuntarily. I got to the point that would happen a hundred times a day. It was scary, I went to a shrink, MRI, etc. When I finally got to see a neurologist 2 months later, he told me it was a âticâ and it was no big deal. Within a day it went away, despite him not doing anything to me.
Psychosomatic illness is real. I try not to judge people experiencing symptoms, though perhaps I failed with my âbullshitâ comment.