It helps that Israel is roughly the side of New Jersey and densely populated.
Which is why this is a Trump/Federal govt. mega fuckup.
I donât think anyone here is suggesting they are experts. That is a massive strawman. We are saying a team of experts at the CDC or whatever should have been building a plan and then the infrastructure to execute it. That didnât happen and it doesnât take a rocket scientist to see that.
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Donald Trump is the president and anyone remotely competent left ages ago.
Of course Wichita could do better. So could I. So could you.
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Wouldnât it be great if Biden being the White House flipped the switch and the vaccination rate accelerated under his leadership? Iâll take a slow initial rollout if it can be exploited to push a message that good government can actually get shit done.
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Exactly. This needed to be a federal effort start to finish. Theyâre in a better position to prioritize where the vaccine and the personnel are needed.
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Partly and that helps with Iceland too, which has done more vaccinations than the US, by a little. Israel is in a league of their own though and I think that has more to do with really being on a domestic war footing forever on top of being a small country on top of an ethos that we donât have here about life - the kind of thing that makes them do things like Operation Entebbe/Operation Moses that really no other country in the world would do.
You do realize the US has had approved vaccine for 5x+ more time than most of the world right?
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Yeah people pushing this 50% plan are doing it all wrong.
It is a horrible strategy.
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Thatâs just not true. For one thing a lot/most of this stuff is not done by the federal government. For another thing, the people that do the work are not elected officials. By and large the federal government is staffed by the same professionals that it would be in any administration. Does Trump help? Of course not, but the politicians were never going to be doing this.
The politicians oversee the agencies that should be handling this. They have been hollowed out by Trump.
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The point is now to compare the US to other countries. The entire point is that the nature of the bottleneck right now - jabbing people - should be easily solvable. If you told me the bottleneck was manufacturing or shipping at -80C, Iâd be a lot more sympathetic.
This is like one of those things in Thinking Fast and Slow and in this case itâs one where everyone thinks âduh this problem is easyâ, but the answer is âlol no, when you deal with immensely large systems and numbers things that may look trivial just arenâtâ and people just canât get that.
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Disagree. It needs to be properly managed. Perhaps you donât care if you get a spoiled vaccine but I do.
Itâs not like any vaccine that goes bad is going to be properly destroyed, many will be injected into humans by the same people who couldnât work a refrigerator.
The reality is there should have been some top down training and certification on all this. We could have managed a couple/few weeks to actually have executed this as less than a total shit show.
Why are you so dead set on defending this obvious failure of the system? If the people in place arenât sufficient, you get more people. You set up tents. If the bottleneck is states wonât pay for OT thatâs ludicrous and shouldnât be tolerated.
Yeah if Nate is on board it is definitely stupid.
If people behave as they should be in the middle of a deadly global pandemic the 50% option shouldnât be on the table at all.
Not only is it unsound mathematically it leads to a host of implantation issues for full vaccination that are bad.
#2021HoldMyBeer
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Can anyone who is defending this slow last mile point to an article that explains why this is such an unsolvable problem? Or are you just imagining that it must be hard for reasons we donât know?
I am sympathetic to the idea that things are more complicated than we realize. But Iâd sure love to see some details that try to explain why.
Itâs more that Iâm dead set on telling you all that youâre being dumb than defending the system. 
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Coin flips itt
Iâm sorry man but if thinking it is a failure to have 90% of your produced vaccine unused after a month while 80,000 people needlessly die every month is dumb then explain why it would be smart to think that was ok?
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