COVID-19: Chapter 6 - ThanksGRAVING

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We should keep this I think. Yeeting candy at kids sounds like an incredibly fun time. Definitely willing to buy the full size candy bars if I can throw them at suburban white kids.

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This and him throwing paper towels like a basketball at people are the things I’m going to remember.

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Yeah I’ve been thinking about that also.

If I take my kids in our neighborhood, they’ll be wearing their covid masks the whole time and we won’t walk near anybody and they will have to wait if lots of kids at a house until nobody is up there.

They’ve missed out on a ton this year and are virtual for school. I’m actually thinking this outdoor masked activity could be one of the safer ways for them to feel normal. Would also quarantine candy for a few days after before they could eat it.

But I dunno. As of now, we’ve told them no trick or treating. But I kinda want to cave.

Either way we def aren’t handing out candy ourselves. May leave a bowl of candy out for people to self-service but not opening our door over and over to a bunch of non-distancing people.

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I think this is the approach. No rando house. People you know. Where masks. Let kids see each other in costume.

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I’m curious how long before they admit that just like it doesn’t have to be 15 continuous minutes, it also doesn’t have to be with the same person.

Like if I get 7.5 minutes with Trump and 7.5 minutes with Christie, I don’t see why that’s any different than 15 minutes with either.

I have an idea.

S-12808

Step right up kids!

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My current plan is to set up a few card tables in front of the house, with some bags of candy. Which is pretty much what KY governor suggested. Still get them to visit houses, still wave to them and salute their costume. But not about to get in front of kids yelling trick or treat to my face.

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Here’s something I don’t get. We know droplets stay in the air 15 minutes right? And airborne a few hours.

So why does everyone act like the 6 foot (or bigger) circle is like a magnetic force field centered around a person? If there’s a big crowd in an area and they clear out, there is a cloud of invisible respiratory droplets for 15 minutes.

I know they disperse more outdoors, but I’m still not trying to go right through them if I can help it.

My buddy is going to do an outdoor Halloween scavenger hunt with the family nextdoor taking a lot of precautions. The kids (two total) get to dress up, see each other’s costumes, have some fun, get some candy, and stay as safe as possible. He also may bring his daughter to my house and his parents’ houses.

It’s not like droplets disappear after 15 minutes. We can probably say that after a certain time, 50% of droplets of a certain size disappear and 90% after a longer period.

I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect people to completely isolate in a bubble. Using numbers like 15 minutes or 6 feet decrease risk, but don’t completely eliminate it because nothing can do that. The smart thing to do is to decide how much risk tolerance you have and then pick the behavior that fits that risk profile.

However, most people are stupid and can’t think in terms of ranges. They need a binary distribution of safe vs not safe. It’s easier to understand. If you give people too many choices, they have problems. Choice is often a bad thing.

People act like a six-foot circle is magical because it’s a useful heuristic when many people can’t handle the cognitive load of a more complex anti-COVID strategy. Not everyone acts that, but if everyone did, in conjunction with masks and good hygiene (and testing and contact tracing), that would probably be about as well as we could manage. It’s a heuristic. It won’t make everyone perfectly safe, but it has legitimate value. Masks don’t make you completely safe, but they contribute to making you safer. Same thing. Ideally, people do all these little things that add up.

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The hilarious part about this whole 6 feet thing is that it’s wrong because it’s actually 2 meters which is 6 feet, 6 inches. So we can’t even get that right either.

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Droplets as medically defined are only in the air for a few seconds and follow ballistic trajectory. 6 feet is adequate to protect against that.

The existence of superspreaders suggests that some people can transmit by aerosols which can linger. However, if most COVID peeps spread by aerosol, R would be much higher. It seems like most transmission is by droplets with superspreaders being possible but unusual.

That’s probably right. But only under the assumption that they are both 100% to be infected. You had made an earlier post that seemed not to realize that. For instance if you assume that 10% are infected, the 15 minutes admonition is correct, and your multiple person theory is as well, you are better off spending 40 minutes at 5 minutes each with eight people, than 15 minutes with one person.

Good thing I got my haircut a couple of days ago because all non-essential businesses in the Czech Republic have been closed.

Nearly up to 15,000 cases in a day. Hospitals are over 80% filled in the country. I assume this includes the tents set up outside of hospitals and the airport.

30% of tests still coming back positive despite continually increasing the number of tests processed.

To help out, 28 American medics from the National Guard are coming to save the day!

Real bummer what happened to that country. I can’t imagine handling it so well to begin with, then just absolutely yoloing it. I assume his handling of it up until recently was super popular?

Andrej Babis could resurrect the dead and he wouldn’t be popular.

That said, people weren’t too thrilled that they had to do all this stuff but it was understandable.

Ah, IIRC you said he was trumpian, so if doing the right thing didn’t make him popular he decided to just appeal to his base who hated the restrictions?

What was mask compliance like after he dropped the mask mandate? Was it just like 40% of the country went yolo causing the spike or a majority?

Keep in mind that popularity is relative. In America, you have two parties. So if you don’t have 50%+ approval rating you kind of suck. The Czech Republic has 7 parties represented in the Chamber of Deputies. Babis’s party (ANO) has a plurality of votes but his government is a minority government because pretty much everybody who doesn’t love him hates his guts. Around 30% of the country supports him above all other parties which is close to double the 2nd most popular party.

Pretty much yeah.

There was an election in early October and implementing restrictions during the summer would have been extremely unpopular among his base because rural areas didn’t really suffer during the first wave. A bunch of places barely had it at all. So for them to have to comply to rules because cities got hit with covid did piss them off and he did lose a little support during the first wave.

Once masks were no longer mandatory, almost nobody wore them. I mean there was a party on the Charles Bridge to celebrate us “beating” covid. The PM even said that the pandemic was over and that it was no longer an issue. There were only around 20 cases a day at the end of May. To the naive, it was over and for us it wasn’t too bad compared to Spain and Italy.

When the second wave was clearly coming, popularity came before health and the government waited too long to act. It was sort of like Nixon interfering with peace talks that would’ve ended the Vietnam War in order to increase his chances at winning the election.

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Yeah thats what worries me about multiple parties. You see it in the UK too. People who only care about power are way better and building a coalition of hate and gaining power. All the other people care about policies so splinter off into a bunch of different parties. I don’t know shit about world politics, and I know it works in some countries that are super progressive, but I’m pretty confident that in America we’d end up with a bunch of fractured left parties and massive hate blacks/latinos dominant right wing party absolutely steamrolling forever.

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