Jfc that article
Jfc that data
Jfc Chris Hayes.
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Well, I definitely don’t want to be a moron. And I’m not aggressively in favor of schools opening - I presented a public comment to the Board of Education several weeks ago that said we shouldn’t return to schools, and I’m likely to do that again at the next meeting on 10/26.
That said, I’m in a district with roughly 16,000 kids. About a third of those kids are fully online, and the remainder have been attending school on a 50% basis for about 6 weeks. So far, we’ve had a cumulative 38 cases student cases and 11 staff cases. Considering that some unknown percentage of these cases occurred outside of school, this seems like a really low rate.
Similarly, the big local college (Ohio State) has been randomly testing an assload of students and the 7-day average positivity rate has been less than 1% for more than 2 weeks now.
So I don’t think I’m being blindly optimistic or ignorant to say that our local area seems to be doing pretty well in returning to school.
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To be clear I don’t mean you. I just mean anyone saying re-opening schools is “safe” is completely ignoring everything we know about Covid. Mostly that indoor events, especially ones spanning hours, are extremely dangerous. It doesn’t magically change whether the front of the building says High School or AT&T Stadium.
Lots of people will get infected, and already have been, in schools despite precautions. Some, especially staff, will die as a result. I don’t define that as safe. Is it a instant apocalypse as soon as you open the doors? Obviously not. But many more people have gotten infected as a result of schools reopening and I don’t think that is really debatable. We have already had one healthy 21 year old student here contract Covid at college and die. It was my wife’s patient and I posted the news story here a couple weeks ago.
If we want to acknowledge or debate that school might be worth the lives lost and permanent health complictions for some then ok. But it isn’t safe by any metric.
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So tilted that Chris Hayes will make this tweet citing “data” and then Make 20 replies and abandon the thread without once linking to the data he’s talking about.
I have to come here for that. Enemy of the people indeed
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35% of kids going half time isn’t OFS.
Ohio state isnt OFS and they’re testing like crazy.
Maybe those models are reasonable for some districts/colleges.
That’s just such a far cry from, "welp, evidence is in, back to crowded busses in January "
And thats before we start seeing like a minimum of 100k daily cases.
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The only argument that I’m sympathetic to is the millions of kids who’s only source of a reliable food comes from school lunches.
Upper middle class kids have the resources for a parent to stay home or to hire turdors/caregivers while they work.
Of course this could be avoided with any type of reasonable government response. UBI would be a good start, even just during the pandemic.
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College here moved our total cases from 250 since the start to 750 in two months of class. Just about all the cases from the college. They seem to be getting it under control after they put a two week lockdown in place but I’d guess it will not go well next semester.
Self reported data. Yeah that’s reliable. Still she is an economist not an epidemiologist. And “data scientist” is just someone that uses JMP and probably doesn’t understand the concepts of causation vs correlation and certainly often don’t understand biasing and aliasing. I’d rather have a scientist in a field using data to make conclusions. Sorry I’ve had so many bad experiences with some jamming some half ass analysis that violates first principles (including thermodynamics). And data is always garbage in garbage out. If you don’t understand how the data is generated then you run great risk of getting fouled up by shitty information.
To be fair, a pairing of a good scientist and a good data person can be exceptionally powerful.
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And non rich kids? Schools being closed is an absolute disaster. Not saying they should all open – you obviously have to weigh the cost against safety – but this is going to be horrendous for long term intellectual and social development.
I think more school districts could have tried doing outdoor classes or opening windows, etc. Our society always wants to turn to tech for solutions. No desire to make the kids uncomfortable, I guess.
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Here is the school insanity in my area.
The modified traditional schedule includes 5 hours of in-person
instruction, 5 days a week, with a grab-and-go lunch.
Schedules will be provided by each school.
Class sizes will range between 24-34 students
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
24-34 students per class. Go get turbofucked, school district
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Im curious what evidence he is using
He is a Republican so probably his feelings?
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This is what everyone is saying and I am going to need a cite on it. What proof do you have that it will be “horrendous” for social development? Why are parents incapable of developing their child themselves? They can do the same safe social activities that the rest of us are.
I’m just wondering how we got here as a society if children can’t stay with their parents for half a year without suffering irreparable harm. Surely there was a time when we didn’t ship the kids off to school for 9-5. I’m guessing that we can figure it out as a society when there is a pandemic on.
Not to mention how horrendous it would be for a kid if their teacher died of covid, or their parent, or someone else who could have been helped by a lesser community spread.
Surely we have some data on these claims
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Does this seem safe?
Downtown Charleston has been pretty bad, by all accounts. Mask compliance is close to 100% in my suburban community, though.
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My issues with this data on schools are:
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Are all the students getting tested or only symptomatic ones? My guess is only symptomatic in most cases, and many kids should be asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic, so we could be missing the majority of the cases in the first few generations of spread.
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We’re not far enough in to OFS to spike the football.
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Many schools are on hybrid models, we can use that evidence to justify full OFS.
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Cases are up quite a bit since OFS.
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It’s getting cold in Indy… Elite restaurants are going to try and weather the storm by filling up patios with heat lamps, closing except for Thursday - Sunday, and instead hosting pop ups and events. It’s really really fucking depressing knowing what’s going to happen. It’s not going to work. Heat lamps are irrelevant when it’s 30 degrees and windy. With the COVID tsunami looming and no relief in sight; I’m shook for my city and neighbors. We could have prepared for this, but we didn’t.
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I suspect you’ll see a lot of heat lamps + tent to block the bulk of the wind.
Well that was new. First time cursing at a 12 year old’s parents.
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