COVID-19: Chapter 5 - BACK TO SCHOOL

What’s dumb is disagreeing with FACTS for the sake of sensationalism. This is why I rarely even check in this site anymore. People here are more concerned with sensationalizing common views than they are with facts. Then comes the name calling

It’s not like you’re saying anything I haven’t already thought about or don’t know. If someone my age slips and falls on a patch of ice or down a flight of stairs, they have a much better chance of not dying from it than if someone who’s 80 and does the same thing. That’s kind of what I was saying in the first place. I could still fall awkwardly, crack my head open and die or suffer some long term damage, but I’m not going to take my time on steep stair cases or avoid going out because it’s icy. Christ, you’re making my point for me and calling me dumb in the process

Gotta bring the Glock when you go jogging though, that’s just common sense.

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Genius posts like this proves my point. It wasn’t necessary, but thanks for the assist

Sorry, it’s just incredibly hard to take your “gee guys, we all have to take risks” shit seriously knowing that.

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That’d be just my luck. Part of the reason I’ve been so locked down is that I have a reputation among my college friends for weird/unlucky stuff happening to me. It’d be classic me to be like 98% locked down and get it anyway.

Speaking of, I’ve been feeling less stressed overall lately - it gets just as bad for a couple hours then I shut everything off and recover a bit - but I’m now getting weird cramping in my arms, legs, and abdomen - in places I’ve never had it before.

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At least he didn’t pozz you in his dream!

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You know there was another group of people in history that thought as long as something was only killing people who were older or had underlying conditions, then we shouldn’t worry about that thing. They were bad people.

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https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/brain-fog-heart-damage-covid-19-s-lingering-problems-alarm-scientists

While it might be more likely to be fatal in the oldest, the long term implications for every demographic doesn’t look promising.

Huh. For all of this time I thought you were suzzer’s goat.

5.1 million people have had confirmed COVID-19 in the US. There are probably close to 2.5 million active cases right now. I have no idea where you’re getting your 4.85 million number.

That requires the 50% that are locking down to stay locked down basically forever.

Otherwise when they emerge they’ll be able to get it.

10-20% is just a stupidly low estimate for herd immunity for something so virulent.

But in theory, if half the population never leaves their home for the next 5 years, then we only need 60% of those who do leave, so 30% of the total population for herd immunity.

But then once they come out of their homes in 5 years, unless it’s eradicated, they’ll get it and we’ll be back to needing 60% like always.

So if 60% is the number and you want the nuance to say it’s “60% of people in society” then sure…but not many people are going to stay out of society for years and years.

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Don’t think I posted in the thread, but I got my test results this week. 19 days for a negative. Pretty surprised we still don’t have a positive ITT.

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Almost makes you think it’s a hoax.

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Update from Steven Millman. I think his 2,500 number of positives attending Sturgis is high, but that might be because I’m in a county of 250,000 people with only 762 cases…

August 9th COVID Update: The Sturgis Motorcycle Rally – A Perfect Storm for a Public Health Emergency

Short Version: The Sturgis Motorcycle Rally in SD, due to it’s sheer scale, lack of mitigation measures, and length of stay is likely to kick off a massive public health crisis in South Dakota, possibly by the time it ends. It is highly likely to kick off a new national surge in cases by early September that could last for weeks, followed three weeks later by a new rise in the rate of deaths.

tl;dr – you’d expect nothing less from me at this point. Pull on those chaps and let’s get started. This could end up being one of the worst ideas concocted since the pandemic began.

As you’ve no doubt been seeing in the news, there is a massive event going on in the tiny town of Sturgis, South Dakota, population seven thousand right now. The 80th Annual Sturgis Motorcycle Rally (https://www.sturgismotorcyclerally.com/), running from August 7th to August 16th, may end up being the world’s largest public gathering since the outbreak of the pandemic. Organizers originally expected as many as 800,000 motorcycle enthusiasts to show up but, as with the Trump rally in Tulsa, the pandemic appears to have scared many away. Current estimates suggest that about 250,000 people travelling from all over the country are attending the rally. The organizers made the decision recently that this year, no media passes would be distributed.

You might be thinking, “That’s a lot of people to have crowding into one place while there’s a pandemic with massive community spread going on.” And you’d be right. Events like this represent a near-perfect breeding ground for the virus both in terms of the opportunity to spread the disease, and the opportunity for the disease to be carried to new populations nationally. Much worse is the fact that the event is long enough to spawn two or three generations of the virus and allowing people to get sick before they’ve left the event. This update is focused on what kind of COVID-19 spread we might expect from the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally and what local and national implications might result.

Let’s start, as always, with the numbers and a set of reasonable assumptions. First, let’s use the reported 250,000 as our population estimate for the event. Next, let’s assume that the population coming to the rally in Sturgis is geographically representative of the United States. They won’t be, of course, and there is strong reason to believe that attendees will be more representative of states where the virus is wide-spread. Nevertheless, as always, I prefer to be conservative with assumptions, so let’s go with the attendees being nationally representative. According to Johns Hopkins University, there are about 3.2 million currently confirmed but unresolved cases of COVID-19 in the US out of the over five million total confirmed cases. That, however, is just a slice of the true underlying activity of the disease. CDC Director Robert Redfield recently said that the true number of cases is likely ten times the tested amount (about 32 million) and a recent article in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA Internal Medicine) suggests that the true number of cases is between six and twenty-four times the number of confirmed cases (https://jamanetwork.com/…/jamainternalm…/fullarticle/2768834). For the sake of this update, we’ll assume the more conservative 10x estimate from the CDC. This means that about 32 million Americans are likely to be current carriers of the disease, or about 10% of the population (that’s a LONG way from herd immunity, so don’t start). Let’s also assume that only about one-tenth of currently infected individuals in the US would be both healthy enough to travel and early enough in the disease progression to be infectious. Taken together, we are therefore assuming a VERY conservative 1% of Sturgis rally-goers, or 2,500 people, will be infected and infectious on day one of the event. Finally, we will use the CDC’s best guess R0 of 2.5 for the degree of infectiousness. The range of R0 estimates has generally between 1.5 and 5.0 in the literature, and once again 2.5 maybe an underestimate of true spread in this population because the motorcyclist population does not include many children and because they will be packed together in concerts, bars, etc. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavir…/…/hcp/planning-scenarios.html Current reporting across multiple outlets suggests that virtually no one at the event is wearing masks or social distancing.

Remind yourself from time to time while reading the rest of this update, that these assumptions and estimates represent an almost certainly substantial under-estimate of reality.

So. what happens if 2,500 infected and contagious people show up to Sturgis among the 250,000 revelers? The most important reason that this rally is so dangerous is that people will be there for up to 10 days. Not only does this mean that there is time for up to three generations of disease spread, but it means people who arrive sick or get sick at the event will be at the mercy of local public health services that could be come quickly and completely overwhelmed. More on that later.

2,500 people arriving with an R0 of 2.5, will infect an additional 6,250 people within just a few days. Those people will become infectious within the next 2-3 days, a few days before any of them show symptoms (https://wb.md/2WPms48). On day four or five of the event, these newly infected would start infecting others. These 6,250 infected individuals at the R0 of 2.5 infect an additional 15,625 rally-goers. On the last few days of the event people are starting to get sick, and an additional 15,625*2.5=39,062 are infected as they leave the event for home. So, with very conservative estimates of infection and spread, 2,500 infected cases can become more than 60,000 in just ten days, representing about a quarter of all attendees.

That all sounds horrible, of course, but it gets much, much worse from there. If there are 2,500 people who arrive sick, and an additional 6,250 who become infected shortly thereafter, nearly all of those who develop symptoms from that group will do so AT THE EVENT. Most who show symptoms do so around day five, with some sooner and some later. The average age at these events is between 50 and 60 years of age (https://www.blackhillsknowledgenetwork.org/…/aging-biker-po…), and about 8.2% of those who contract the virus in that age range end up requiring hospitalization. Younger people are much less likely to require hospitalization, and older people are much more likely. For the purposes of these estimates, let’s assume 8.2% as the average. With 8.2% of 8,750 infected, there would be 717 people who will require hospitalizations from among the rally-goers. We are assuming that those infected with generation two or three make it out before symptoms appear, but there’s a good chance that some from the third generation could also require hospitalizations before they leave town. (https://www.usnews.com/…/odds-of-hospitalization-death-with…)

717 people would need hospital beds based on these conservative assumptions. In all of South Dakota, there are only 2,741 staffed beds (https://www.ahd.com/states/hospital_SD.html). This event would require one quarter of the entire state’s capacity. And it’s a big state. Sturgis is in the Southwest corner of the state about an hour from Mt. Rushmore. The closest town of any size is Rapid City, about 30 miles away, which has less than 400 staffed hospital beds. The bulk of the staffed hospital beds (about 1,200) in South Dakota are almost 400 miles away in Sioux Falls. There are no population centers relatively closer than Sioux Falls to Sturgis in bordering Wyoming, Nebraska, Montana, or, North Dakota. The beds are also not all empty. In rural SD (like Rapid City), the typical hospital bed occupancy rate is about 22% and in urban areas (like Sioux Falls), the occupancy rate is about 60%. That leaves about 1,600 empty beds that are available in the entire state, and only about 320 in Rapid City. Less than half of what would be needed. This would be a public health disaster of unprecedented proportion in South Dakota. Not only would this likely increase the mortality rate among the COVID populations, it could create a large amount of incidental deaths among those who need to go to the hospital for other reasons but cannot get a bed or a doctor. In order to manage such a crisis, medical staff would need to be flown in from other parts of the country and sick people will need to be moved elsewhere or to makeshift facilities.

And then there are the 60,000 infected people who return back to the rest of the country, carrying the disease with them. This will show up in the national case data as a bump in cases by mid-September, and could look a lot like the surge we are only now coming out of if mask wearing and social distancing do not improve. Deaths will start to appear as a trend in the National data about three weeks later. Let’s not forget that we’re talking about generally older Americans here who are at much higher risk of death from COVID-19. The average age in the US is about 39 years old, compared to the mid-50’s at the Sturgis rally.

And none of this includes the anticipated rise in community spread of COVID-19 from school openings in areas where the disease is not yet contained. Fall is going to be rough. I’d go into details as to exactly how rough it’s likely to get, but this update is already long enough, and it’s my third update in as many days. I need to take a mental health break (and a whiskey or six), so I’ll do the modeling for expected impacts on mortality from Sturgis and school reopenings in the next update.

I am asking readers who manage to get this far to PLEASE be respectful of the potential upcoming loss of life. I, for one, do not find the jokes about “motorcycles for sale – coming soon” to be very funny. And I laugh at videos of cats knocking kittens down stairs. Imagine.

As always, don’t forget I’m not a medical professional or epidemiologist. I’m a professional statistician with too much on my mind.

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I believe each place has a daily cap of how many people can catch it, because even accounting for test issues there has never been a place with a sustained explosion in confirmed daily cases that does not slow even at its perceived worst point. I think that number in the largest population states is somewhere between 17-20k daily cases.

In a place like Georgia, it’s probably somewhere in the 5500 to 7000 range. In North Carolina, it’s probably in the 3000-4500 range. In places like Nevada, Oklahoma, and Arkansas, it’s probably between 1750 and 3000 daily max. A place like Arizona could have destroyed this hypothesis but I think even it slowed ‘unnaturally’ at its peak (have not put it in a population grouping to know which one it’s in).

I have no idea how that plays into your numbers, but my hypothesis seems to be the case to me after some factoring in of overall testing deficiencies. I’m not saying it burns itself out at that level, just that it appears to sustain there even without significant mitigation.

Brain fog. I knew it!

Yeah, it’s hard to tell how much of it is natural burning itself out vs. the dynamic change that occurs when an area gets out of control and people start taking it more seriously.

Like, I would not be surprised at all if we really could get to herd immunity at something like 30% IF the susceptible subgroup stayed constant. But that’s not going to happen with schools reopening. Nor would I expect the “safer” group to keep taking precautions at the same level if the numbers started to go down a lot.

https://twitter.com/DrDenaGrayson/status/1292434536236752897?s=20

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I’ve had nightmares about the thing in your avatar. Does that count?

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Schools are about to introduce a complete change to how the pandemic has been thought of within the next 5 weeks. I do not at all have a good feeling about it.

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