That could be true, but to say “asymptomatic individuals may have equivalent propensity to spread virus to others” is still a petty misleading statement. That “may” is doing a lot of heavy lifting.
I can’t tell exactly what’s going on, but something fishy is going on with the reporting of tests in these states:
Colorado, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Missouri, Mississippi, New Jersey, New Mexico, Nevada, Oklahoma, Texas, Vermont, and Washington
The general idea is they’re shoving a bunch of tests into particular days without results being given yet, or they’re shoving a bunch of tests from previous days into a day to catch up. Either way, it makes the data really hard to analyze in these places.
Good to see
NY schools allowed to reopen as infection rate drops
New York Governor Andrew Cuomo has said all schools in the state can reopen for in-person learning after the summer break.
Earlier this year, New York was at the forefront of the global coronavirus crisis - at one point in April it had more diagnosed cases than any single country. But infection rates have dropped in recent months.
“If you look at our infection rate we are probably in the best situation in the country right now,” Mr Cuomo told reporters. “If anybody can open schools, we can open schools.”
He warned that if the infection rate spikes, the guidance will “change accordingly”.
In the latest daily figures, Mr Cuomo said five more people had died of coronavirus in New York and 714 had tested positive.
Bolded is code for they’ll close other stuff before schools
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Fauci recommended wearing goggles if you have them last week. I’ve started wearing them and am imploring my wife to do the same. I don’t see mention of goggles from the folks here when talking of going out in the community, airplanes, etc. Are any of you guys wearing them on the regular, and if not why not? Where I am is high mask compliance (South Jersey) but not a goggle in sight.
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Fauci owns the goggle company.
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It probably does make sense to wear goggles, but that’s going to be a tough sell for most people. Tough not to come off as a freak and a very weird dude wearing swimming goggles at the grocery store.
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You might think so, but at the grocery store I frequent a bunch of weirdos are rocking surgical masks.
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I basically hope my glasses will protect me from incoming particles of 'rona (they probably won’t).
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Well shedding similar amounts of virus is a strong start to that “May”
Then add in the asymptomatics are assuredly more likely to be out and about seems to take us across the “May” finish line.
There is always inherent weakness in these cohort studies where you look back at less than controlled conditions and try to normalize variables to create control between groups.
But in my book I think this particular “may” is pretty strong.
I’m uncertain is to the general point you are trying to make. Everyone has to assume
1 they are contagious even if they’ve been good and feel fine and aren’t sneezing/coughing
2 they are susceptible even if this around them seem healthy. Even if they think they had it already.
Wear a mask and stay of crowds. Especially indoors.
We can’t ever do the real experiment of finding positive asymptomatics and exposing them to susceptible individuals. The weight of cohort data will eventually render a definitive judgement. There is no point to argue that asymptomatics don’t spread or less efficiently for now.
Yeah, I’m 52 and although mindful of how I appear to others bottom line is I don’t give a s**t. I do wonder if my wife is in fact wearing them, because they look weird and if she would take any heat when out in the community. Hoping for some insight from anyone here who wears them in public and/or if I’m overreacting as to their efficacy.
It’s why I try to avoid day to day. A significant amount of the variability is by day of week so looking closely once per week and looking at 7 day averages makes more sense.
Of course there is no controlling for shenanigans or really faulty reporting.
As long as I make short visit to places with near 100% masking I’m just doing glasses.
If I fly I will def wear them.
I would find that surprising if it was true tbh. Hard for me to imagine that someone who is coughing and sneezing isn’t putting more corona in the air.
I don’t understand why Cuomo thinks we can open schools but we can’t have indoor dining, movie theaters, gyms, etc. Is there a difference between these things that I’m missing? Either they should all be shut down or none of them?
Well there is a societal benefit supposedly for in person school.
If it last two weeks I’m not sure if it’s worth it so don’t really disagree with your point.
If they are going to try it’s better to do just schools and not have the community spread outside school.
School is more important than any of those.
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If symptomatic and asymptomatic people have an equal propensity to spread the disease, that must mean that symptoms like sneezing and coughing do nothing to help the disease spread. That’s absurd. Even if the asymptomatic guy is shedding as much virus, he’s still not going to spread it as much as the other guy. It can’t be an apples-to-apples comparison for that to make sense.
Basically he’s conflating “amount of shedding” with “propensity to spread the disease” in a way that’s misleading.
Agree 100%, but if it’s about risk, school is just as risky.