COVID-19: Chapter 5 - BACK TO SCHOOL

Is that supposed to be a selling point?

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He is a progressive.

The video of him punking Tucker Carlson is pretty good.

I was referring to the Gladwell part. I just quickly skimmed some reviews and saw at least three people making similar comparisons. That’s… not great imo.

Gladwell is an elite story teller and helped popularize a ton of important studies.

That a huge proportion of those studies turned out to be garbage isn’t his fault as a lay author.

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I’m probably on the overly cautious side of the spectrum, but I’d quarantine if possible. Others can correct me if I’m wrong, but my understanding is that getting tested tomorrow won’t necessarily give you definitive results if you were only exposed at the birthday party and even if you do get tested you should be quaranteening while you wait for the results.

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We all are, really.

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Zuckerberg?

I’m not convinced Zuck is a human being.

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Um The Zuckermeister?

Maybe the ER/ICU docs actually treating it know more, but I still will take Unstuck’s knowledge over theirs on the spread, mitigation, how various factors influence R0, etc. I’ll take our knowledge over theirs on some of the numbers from the studies, like percentage of people experiencing long term lung, brain, heart, etc damage. I’ll take ours over theirs on specifics about vaccine trials.

They know more about like the progression of the infection within a person, how to treat it at each step, who needs a vent and when, who’s got a shot to make it and who doesn’t, etc.

All knowledge is not the same.

You give a standard ER doc one day and he can learn everything in the first paragraph about as well as anyone here.

If we give you one day, you’ll still be hopeless at the stuff in the second paragraph.

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According to a review of it, it’s basically the premise that we’d all be fine and dandy if we only got rid of societal constructs and governments, but that with those things we’re basically doomed to a life of pessimism, tribalism, war, etc. That’s supposed to make me feel better in 2020?

Sure but those of us who are Americans with underlying health risks and buying insurance off of the marketplace are in a particularly precarious position. Premiums are expected to go up 20-40 percent next year. Meanwhile the rest of the world mostly has this figured out in a way that if they absolutely had to go for eradication, they’d have a decent shot at it.

I mean, at any given time we’re basically a 2-month full lockdown away from eradication, right? Maybe a 6-month 90% lockdown away? But USA#1 has a 0.0% shot at doing either of those things ever.

I mean I’m not saying I’m smarter about that stuff than doctors or would beat them head to head in some sort of competition on it if they spent a day on it. I’m simply emphasizing that they do not have the time to read all of that stuff, and a bunch of us here have been keeping up very closely.

Maybe I’m just not understanding you, but if the question is “Who knows more about COVID?”, and your choices are informed unstuck poster or doc who treats people with it every day, the answer is the latter AINEC.

Granted there are certain things about COVID that some unstuck posters will be more knowledgeable about, without the need to look them up. No argument there.

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Do you even know one ER/ICU doctor? Like really know them? The ICU part of this is particularly ludicrous. They’re one of the smartest specialties out there. ER less so but still unlikely.

This position, while we don’t know the answer for sure I suppose, feels very Dunning-Kruger-y

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The question is “Who knows more about the spread and mitigation thereof of COVID?”

The secondary question would be, “Who knows more about the prevalence of long-term effects to the heart/brain/lungs/etc of COVID?”

I’m taking UP on both. If you rephrase the second question, you could get me to change my answer. If you say like the impact of the effects or something like that, I’ll take the doctors.

Again, I’m not saying they aren’t smart. I’m saying that they aren’t spending hours every day reading studies about the spread of COVID, modeling the R0, or reading about the percentage of people getting long-term effects (maybe that one they are).

The reason they are not is not that they’re lazy or stupid, it’s that I assume most of them are working absurd hours and are basically working, sleeping and attempting not to have nervous breakdowns in their limited free time.

No! No, no, no, no. Not at all. He’s just extremely confident in the depth of his knowledge of this complex topic that he just started reading about a few months ago. Better than most doctors, he’d estimate.

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1 and 3 isn’t true at all and it’s frankly ridiculous to suggest that any ICU doctor isn’t doing that. That’s basic infection control and pathophysiology of an emerging disease that they are likely treating. Some ER doctors aren’t doing those things I’m sure, but in general it would still be wrong.

2 I guess so? Modeling isn’t medicine. I also don’t see many people here actually creating models.

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Ok don’t check it out. Just read a review and make your decision.

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The Premier of Victoria is having a press conference shortly where he is virtually certain to announce stage 4 lockdown. Word is restaurants and cafes will still be able to offer takeout which was not the case in NZs stage 4. All shops will shut other than gas stations, pharmacies and supermarkets.