I’m in Forsyth
We got online or in person
Didn’t see option to change from in-person to online at any time.
Have to enroll for online for elementary by 7/12 and for virtual academy for middle/high by 7/31
Their great increase in cases is over the past 2-3 weeks so 2-3 weeks from now we will see deaths rise.
It took time from Open for Business until huge case spikes since it takes a few spreading cycles to jump up.
I need some new masks, I assume sites like this are at best gouging if not pure bullshit?
Suggestions? I have a box of surgical masks coming from amazon next week which are probably going to suck too, but I only use those to double up.
Hey, stop freeloading - USA#1 withdrew their $500m WHO funding months ago. What does the CDC have to say on this? (Crickets, they’re gonna re-right the WHO verdict if / when the WHO have CONCLUSIVE evidence)
I got some KN95 masks on eBay that seem pretty legit. There are a ton on there.
We should have a dedicated mask thread.
EDIT: I’ll make one.
done: Masks / Face Coverings
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I moved to TN in May. I notice in stores like Publix a lot more people wear masks than something like Kroger. Walmart is LOL bad. I’m guessing educated people with more money wear them.
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The sudden jump, concentrated among those in their 20s, reflected a sharp and uncontrolled rise in the virus that has hit Texas harder than many other places in the country. Unlike the early weeks of the pandemic, when infections were concentrated in the state’s mainly liberal cities, the virus has now reached into the deep-red regions of the state that have resisted aggressive public health regulation.
Yet for many conservatives, even those with the virus now at their door, the resurgence has not changed opinions so much as hardened them.
For those Texans, trust in government is gone, if it was there to begin with, and that includes some of the state’s top leaders. On Tuesday, Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick of Texas declared himself tired of Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease doctor. “I don’t need his advice anymore,” Mr. Patrick said.
That sentiment was echoed outside a popular, newly opened hamburger restaurant in Wolfforth, Texas, just outside Lubbock, where even Mr. Abbott, a Republican, came under harsh criticism. “It seems like he’s been influenced by Fauci and the left,” said Mark Stewart, who sat with his wife and children and several other families at a gathering for locals who home school.
None in the 18-person group, which squeezed around several outside tables, wore masks or made an attempt to stay distant. “This is the first time we’ve met each other and we don’t care,” said Mr. Stewart’s wife, Tamera, adding that other people might take precautions when they are together and stay far apart. “Texas has all kinds. But we’re done with all that.”
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“There’s a lot of frustration that the governor is not giving our nation a contrasted worldview to that of California or New York,” said Luke Macias, a conservative Republican political consultant in Texas who said that Mr. Abbott had not offered a conservative vision of how to deal with the crisis. “With Abbott, he’s tried to have his cake and eat it too; he wants to not protect your individual liberty and then say he is.”
Before Mr. Abbott’s latest order, mayors in West Texas had blocked efforts to require residents to wear masks while inside stores, in some cases linking their opposition to disgust with leaders in Austin and Washington.
“Free Americans, and free Texans, must not allow a fractious, divided and politically motivated body of values lightweights to dictate day-to-day living,” Mayor Patrick Payton of Midland said at a news conference on Wednesday.
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Ms. Ellison said she was defying the state’s order again and keeping her bar open. She has joined a statewide lawsuit over the governor’s closures.
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If anything, she said, the aggressive growth of coronavirus cases in Odessa made her more confident in reopening. “It has affected it in a more positive way,” she said. “We’re having people survive,” she said, adding, “Let’s just let this run its course.”
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I’m betting it’s already getting into a lot of retirement homes and nursing homes and the deaths aren’t being counted.
From my friend:
“One of my best friends brothers works at an old people home in Florida and she said he’s sad because a lot of the people are dying.”
To the degree that it is possible for the governor to prevent testing people in old folks homes, you just know DeSantis and Kemp are doing it 100%. I would imagine there are a few avenues to accomplish that but I am literally just guessing. Fairly likely Abbott and Ducey are too.
My guess is that a lot of procurement goes through the state. I also am guessing that the businesses and holding companies that operate them get a number of benefits/handouts from the government, and thus the governor would have some leverage. At the very least they have to be regulated and licensed, and could be leveraged that way.
On top of that they have a financial interest in not having a recorded outbreak, so they may not even need to be leveraged.
Keep in mind that once they’re locked down for the pandemic, as they should be, the amount of information going in and out is pretty limited. Also keep in mind that any one person’s death is not going to be scrutinized, given their age and health. Relatives will know their loved one died, but they won’t know 20 people died or whatever.
I mean, does that info even get publicly reported? Short of a whistleblower coming out and saying, “Yeah a bunch of people died here with COVID-19 symptoms and none was tested or reported because there’s a plan in place to cover that up,” how would we ever find out?
I have taken a lot of heat and people posting TESTING and YOUNGS in this thread for basically two months for pointing out death stats in several large states have never made sense. Several states death stats are openly, on the record rigged and we still spend literally tons of this time in this thread wringing our hands about WHERE ARE THE DEATHS.
Are the right wing talking points (more testing, lower average age of infected, etc) making an impact? Sure. But that doesn’t explain why some of these states have had way lower than average death rates on average long before those factors were relevant.
Georgia, Texas, Florida and yes even California are not reporting deaths the way they should be according to the CDC. That will artificially lower the death rates in those places by definition.
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It will come out. I have confidence.
I should have said per capita, yeah. Pretty sure we’re nowhere near first per capita.
I’m 100% confident it will come out. I’m 80% confident it won’t come out in time.
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Right, and the fact that those talking points are a source of debate on this forum, in this community, is evidence of how fucked we are IMO. I think a lot of people’s subconscious defense mechanism to the worst of what’s going on right now with regard to COVID-19 and with regard to Trump’s authoritarianism is basically some form of denial. That scares me as much, if not more than the challenges we face.
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Do you know how far off covid deaths from June are from excess deaths for June? If it’s 50% or more that would be a slam dunk to bolster this idea that death-gaming is a big component of current low death rates.
The last I saw total excess deaths since covid has been around - are off by like 20% or something from reported covid deaths.
Results There were approximately 781 000 total deaths in the United States from March 1 to May 30, 2020, representing 122 300 (95% prediction interval, 116 800-127 000) more deaths than would typically be expected at that time of year. There were 95 235 reported deaths officially attributed to COVID-19 from March 1 to May 30, 2020. The number of excess all-cause deaths was 28% higher than the official tally of COVID-19–reported deaths during that period.
For deaths to be way down since April in these states due to gaming, excess deaths should be way way up right?
Have all those states changed the way they report deaths, so that them being way off is a relatively new phenomenon, or are you saying they’ve been doing this from the beginning? If so, why don’t we see a greater discrepancy with excess deaths now vs. then?
I’m ready to believe you but it would be nice to see some concrete metric to back this up - like excess deaths for June are way way off of reported covid deaths. Or show that case demographics don’t skew massively young. Etc.
Meanwhile nicholas is saying it’s all just because deaths are still lagging. Which also makes sense. But somehow that doesn’t seem to be the general argument. It seems like you’re assume lagging deaths should have happened by now, but haven’t because of gaming
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I have seen several studies like the Yale study and this study which show us undercounting deaths:
They always end at May 31 or earlier for some reason. Someone smarter than me may know how to get excess death stats from June 1-present but we have “only” had about 25,000 deaths attributed to covid in that time period. I’d bet a lot of money the excess death total is significantly higher.
I agree we’re undercounting deaths. But from everything posted in this thread - death rates are still way down compared to April, right? So are we undercounting them even more now?
Or are they still just lagging like nicholas thinks?
FWIW - it makes perfect sense to me that the leading edge of this wave would be youngs and the death rate would be down because of that. Doesn’t mean the rest of the wave is going to be all young. I even posted at least one hospital saying their patients skew much younger than the first time around, and thus have a better chance of survival.
I don’t know why you’re just blanket ruling out demographics.
The lag was about 10 days for NY/NJ and Italy and etc. I suppose you could argue that in FL it’s starting to infect younger people and will take longer to work its way to nursing homes? idk, there’re just too many moving parts at play here.