Yeah I know that will happen some. But hopefully not to the extent as N. Italy, which seems to be the perfect pressure cooker for the virus. My young cousins aren’t seeing their aging parents very much right now. They do still hang out occasionally but they try to minimize it. It’s nothing like living in the same house, or two houses away and sharing meals all the time.
I think we are headed for herd immunity here so I fundamentally agree that if we can do it in a way that limits hospital overruns that will be a massive positive. My hesitation with saying the 21-30 crowd having massive ragers is fine is that we have a lot of unknowns. In the Covid era this is literally a new expirament. Even back in early March we likely did not have the level of infection we have now. So we don’t know if mostly young people partying their asses off results in something bad or a mild bump. We will see and obviously I hope we get the latter.
You are so right about this. It is literally life and death for some of us so just pretending Uncle Bill being a massive racist POS MAGA shitstain is fine to survive Christmas isn’t an option anymore.
Most of my wife and I’s families are MAGA shitstains. Ive unfollowed and unfriended most of them on social media because I found myself lashing out at their insane posting in my darkest moments. I love and care about them a lot but this is really a stark moment for realizing how destructive they are. For once we feel the first order effects. Not just the down the line effects of their support for Trump or the GOP.
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Meh. I’m more concerned with people congregating indoors and how restaurants are handling outdoor seating.
I’ve been looking at some of those party shots and videos and I see a fair number of middle aged overweight people too. At least in some of them.
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Went driving around a couple nights ago and rode by some of the young people bars downtown. Two or three of them were pretty busy, while the rest were open but dead. It was only 9, so that’s kinda what it would look like on a normal weekend.
I’m beginning to think that opening up is really our only choice. Maybe if we had treated the pandemic for what it was in the beginning and have every adult $2k/month and a federally sponsored wage bonus for essential work (like an extra $10/hr?) we could have locked down and successfully gone to a testing and tracing program. But as it is, there’s simply no plan for how to move forward. So I really don’t know what else we could do. It just sucks that there was no leadership from anywhere in the government and that even the Democratic Party was worried about giving people too much free money.
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[quote=“WichitaDM, post:3668, topic:1764, full:true”] I fundamentally agree that if we can do it in a way that limits hospital overruns that will be a massive positive.
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This is how the state governments, the Feds and the MSM all sold the lockdown to the American public.
Although LOL at the various states opening up with few restrictions in place, I can’t blame the average moron who questions why we can’t reopen if the hospitals aren’t getting overrun.
I’m not going to cry for them either. But I do feel terrible for anyone they infect.
I mean my plan would have been strict lockdowns, UBI, and training unemployed to test and trace for when we got case numbers down. The best case scenerio now is to hope herd immunity maybe only kills 300-500k somehow. That’s all I have left to root for.
Watching states like Michigan, NJ, NY and Cali(if you exclude LA) who have held strong with the lockdowns blow the early re-opening states out of the water with their curve shapes tells you everything you need to know about the value of locking down until you reach a low number.
IDK. I see business as normal where I am, no masks, etc. Here’s another of those videos.
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Pretty much, new death numbers wont spike for a couple weeks still.
But what good is it going to do? The minute SF opens up and visitors pour in from LA, that place will be like a bomb went off. The only reason their numbers look like they do is because they said “Fuck all ya’ll” and essentially became their own Alcatraz before anybody suggested it was a good idea. If visitors from the south of the state start moving in to take advantage of summer there, that city is fucked.
So dumb. We know for certain that packed events with loud talking/yelling are superspreader events, outside or not.
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I agree. I more meant it that it is justification for a national plan to limit the damage. Right now we have no plan besides crossing our fingers. Seeing the states with a plan mostly bend the curve more than a Florida/Georgia/Texas even with their reporting shenanigans just reiterates how dumb it is we literally have no national plan.
Went hiking (if I can call it that - SLOWLY recovering from earlier this year) followed by grocery shopping. 4 mile hike probably passing 100 or so people, I’d guess 70% or so wearing masks and pretty much every one avoiding each other on the trail. Better than I thought it would be. Then two grocery store stops - Raleys where about 50% or so with masks, good distancing, then Trader Joes with probably 90% masks.
So, better than expected I guess - although the trail was really getting full as we were coming back. I agree with Jerry though - we’re default being pushed into wide open mode, and people like me - over 60, on chemo - wife and I are going to have to be very cautious or wait for the vaccine.
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I’m just impressed that the cops didn’t shoot anybody, given the complexion of the crowd. Especially when the car backfired.
If we’re the crazy ones, I think I’m completely done with news and politics for good.
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Yeah - same spot for 3 hours with someone yelling behind you. I don’t care how much sunshine and breeze there is, that’s no good.
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Unfortunately, if we don’t see a big bump in a few weeks it’ll probably just make us more reckless in the fall and make it all worse.
Well, if this is the moment rather than lining up and shooting at each other, at least we’ve got that going for us.
This is a great point that I think we’ve glossed over so far. If Trumpers are so drunk off the Kool-Aid that they’re willing to party it up and contract a deadly virus THEMSELVES, they are sure as shit down for the mass murder of people of color who they already hate.
Yup. This is how I feel too, and I’ve sort of expressed it a couple times, it’s just really hard to maintain that position while criticizing the GOP for their lack of a plan that caused it, because 9 out of 10 people are going to be like, “Uhh, but you’re for reopening and so are they?”
Yeah, only cause they fucked it up and it’s completely hopeless that they could ever get it right.
Yup, Trump and the GOP are legit going to end up killing 50x as many people as needed to die from this in the best case scenario. 200-300x is probably the worst case scenario. That’s mindblowing. Annnnd 43% approval still (538).