People are weird and irrational. We like to think that everyone is either vaxxed or a hardcore antivaxxer at this point, but nothing is that neat and tidy.
Also, donât underestimate the power of just plain old chronic procrastination. Itâs not much different than somebody paying some unnecessary membership for like 3 years because they just couldnât bring themselves to make the five-minute phone call to cancel it.
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so excited about the pediatric vaccine finally getting to the finish line.
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My potential for malfeasance is limited only by your imagination.
The quality control standards for posting here have gotten crazy if a PhD biochemist isnât qualified to have a take.
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Thread is going off the rails. If you want to debate the study substantively go ahead, but this is the call to stop rehashing old fights and/or making personal non-substantive attacks.
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Frankly, if they wrote something as well done as Wookie Iâd be super impressed even if they were wrong about something. As much as you want it to be the other way, the actual truth is that jal et al arenât capable of that level of discussion (and thatâs fine, theyâre not actual scientists). Thereâs a reason why criticism from wookie is based on scientific detail and you/jal/whatever are simply appealing to authority.
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Youâre welcome to point to a single post doing this that has any more substance than âlol, you arenât fit to question a Science paper published by Imperial College of London professors.â
Appealing to authority is a pretty good trait in situations like this. I donât think anyone denies thatâs what everyone here are doing. Which is why i suggested that Wookie, who is regarded as the authority within the community, be slightly more cautious in his dismissals.
Those who think this discussion is pointless to a thread about covid are just telling on themselves. Some with more grace than others.
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stopping here.
For you maybe itâs an ideal strategy. Thatâs your limit, not others. If the discussion is beyond you like youâre implying, then the right thing to do is to not shit in it.
No, thatâs not the right thing. The right thing is doing what Iâm doing, and showing that leading experts have a completely opposite view to that shown by Wookie.
I canât imagine any person posting in good faith thinking otherwise.
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Well thatâs because you donât have the training or expertise to comment. Thereâs nothing like a united front that youâre describing. Wookie has made a serious case about a flaw in that study. Linking other people talking positively about that study does not address that criticism whatsoever.
If you want to be acting in good faith, you can address the actual things wookie brought up, or stfu about it if itâs beyond you.
The pointlessness is repeating the journal name and the authorsâ affiliations as if those werenât the first things I looked at when I opened the article.
Again, spotting errors in published articles is the regular responsibility of first year grad students. They occur all the damn time, especially in the likes of Science, Nature, and Cell in their coverage of hot topics. Your default assumption should be that they are flawed, or at least are overstating their claims of what the data and their controls actually show.
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Or iâll just reply with the credentials of the people who describe this study as âcomprehensive and important study. You should read the study in fullâ.
Again Wookie, this is a science published paper by leading experts already well discussed all over the world. If you want to show how itâs so flawed it deserves multiple laughing jpegs, you should at least find some other experts on your side.
With all do respect to your first year grad training, of course.
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100%. I review about 10-20 papers per month, or at least I used to before baby came. Papers are flawed because it is extremely hard to do science, and itâs especially hard to do clinical medicine as a science. Recognizing errors and/or bias is a massive part of my job.
Iâm an MD and professor who teaches doctors and medical students, troll.
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I replied to wookie about first year grad students. You are starting to look a bit unhinged there sir (or its just lack of sleep. As someone with an 8 mo old baby i can relate)
This study suggests that your immune systemâs response to the B.1.1.529 variant is to get worse at fighting the B.1.1.529. Itâs extremely unexpected and potentially catastrophic if true, however itâs based on a small sample size, worded strangely, and possibly could be the result of p-hacking errors (which are quite common).
OTOH, the article did pass the peer review process of a high prestige journal, so there is an argument from authority to be made that it really is correct. FWIW I usually never even glance at the author affiliations when Iâm looking at journal articles.