what’s the point? end of pandemic then?
lols @ under 5’s.
“Only 11% have been vaccinated in low-income countries and we set a target of 70%,” he said.
I thought they already had it (and passed it on to their Dad (who didn’t get tested) who is still here to tell the story) you fuckwit
Immunity from past infection is neither as robust nor as lasting as vaccination, and we know that immunity from vaccination wanes, too. Guess I should just keep letting them get covid so that they’ll be protected from covid?
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You’ve waived any right to an expectation of sympathy if you have some sort of karmic result affecting an under-five in your life.
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wrong
finally admitting this, are you
Apparently, it’s over. Unless we don’t vax the world, in which case, look out, new variants
Fucking cite it, then, bro.
Been saying it as soon as the data showed it.
Why not both kids under 5 AND the rest of the world? Kids can create variants, too, and someone in Rwanda who’s not getting vaccinated is not the fault of my children who are not yet vaccinated.
That is, in fact, not what the fuss is about.
The evidence supporting “natural” immunity (lord I hate that term) over vaccination is equivocal at best. Every reputable health org is telling people to get vaccinated even if they think they’ve had COVID. Moreover, even if you wanted to deliberately infect yourself, there’s no reliable way to do that and doing so would jeopardize your health and maybe further spread the disease.
All of which obviously wasn’t what the fuss was about, but it feels worth putting it out there.
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Two points:
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The evidence supporting this “natural” immunity thing is weak at best and legit health orgs are advising people to get vaccinated anyway.
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There’s no real practical/safe way to deliberately infect your kids even if you believe there is some benefit to it.
All of which is orthogonal to the issue of whether it’s okay to troll Wookie over his kid’s vaccinations, which is a topic for the atf thread down the hall.
You need to go back and reread that thread. As wookie could be entirely wrong about the point your making and it would be immaterial to why churchill should be gone.
You can check with the WHO or CDC or health org if your choice, they’re all advising people to get vaxxed even if they think they’ve been infected.
I don’t think any of the sources I cite mention deliberately infecting anyone as a preventative measure.
Sure. It’s not a practical measure to take even if you think there’s some benefit to it, which is why Wookie is very much interested in getting his daughter vaccinated ASAP. You should still get vaccinated regardless of how the natty immunity vs vaxx question gets resolved.
I’m pretty sure the preponderance of evidence is that the best immunity in order is:
- Vaxxed + infected
- Vaxxed
- Infected
There may be individual studies that dispute that, and in particular an infection with, say, BA.2 will probably provide better immunity against BA.2 than the original vaccination - and perhaps against some other variants, too. However, vaccination appears to provide broader and longer-lasting protection against the range of variants than an infection with a single variant.
That’s all before accounting for the fact that the risks associated with vaccination are very minor and the frequency of incidents is low, relative to the risks and frequency of severe negative outcomes with an infection.
I guess my only point here is you should still get your family vaxxed ASAP regardless of the “natural” immunity debate and the reputable health orgs all seem to be saying this afaict. This is all stuff everyone here knows anyway, so idk why I’m saying it.
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Some of your cites don’t exactly say what you think they say.
It appears that they are comparing a recent (at the time of the study) infection to a two shot regimen of mRNA vaccines from a possibly significant amount of time previously and measuring them against one variant.
The proper comparison is a recent booster and a recent infection both sync’d up to Day 0, and measuring protection going forward against all of the circulating variants for efficacy against infection, hospitalization, and death. Everything I’ve seen so far says vaccination is going to be superior, broadly speaking, while infection may be superior in some narrowly defined way (like against the exact same variant within a short period of time).
One of your excerpts from your links actually seems to say that a vaccine sans infection is more protective than an infection alone once they were both 90-179 days in the past, so it seems to counter your and churchill’s position, unless I’m misreading it.
And of course all of this ignores the risks of an infection being far greater than the risks of vaccination.
He’s needling Wookie for wanting to get his daughter vaccinated, and suggesting there’s no point in doing so. Or at least that’s how I interpret it, his posting is always a bit inscrutable.
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You posted some yourself, which I think basically makes my point. I’m confident there’s more out there because I’ve read plenty of articles citing studies on this, but none of them are perfect studies and I’ve got stuff to do right now, so I’ll stick with the point that the broad consensus seems to be that vaccination + infection > vaccination > infection in terms of the combination of quality and duration of protection against the broad range of variants circulating, and that experts agree vaccination and boosters is the best way to stay protected going forward against the likely range of possible variants.
Obviously the virus can throw curve balls at us, but that’s the best science and consensus at present.
It seems like we agree about this and your main point is that it’s possible to find studies to back up churchill’s take. Well, it’s also possible to find studies that say hydroxychloriquine and ivermectin work. They’ve been discredited on their scientific methods and/or aged poorly, though.
I would say the same is the case for stuff that you posted that applied to a very narrow and specific set of conditions and timing during the Delta wave.
I also assume you agree based on your post that at every point since vaccines have been available, the best way to maximize health and safety was to get vaccinated and then boosted when available.
I spent last night at my gf’s, this morning she is symptomatic (mild) and tested positive on a RAT. I’m back at my house and negative so far.
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I think a lot of the pro natural immunity results from studies are extremely flawed as they don’t take survivorship bias into effect