COVID-19 (2): Turns out it's going to be pretty bad actually

Trader joes has this for the last month here to limit the number of people inside but no one way aisles (which seems like a great idea) where i live.

My local Vons has the one-way aisles but both times Iā€™ve gone tons of people were ignoring the signs.

I was looking at Sweden. Could be 10-20 on a weekend and then 100+ the rest of the week.

They are winning vs US (more deaths per capita)

Iā€™ve only needed groceries once in ~40 days (sick, ā€œI can cook well with canned goodsā€ brag, obv). It was like stepping into a new world. Everyone had on masks, one way traffic markings on the floor (with probably 75% of people paying attention), shelves not empty but definitely picked over in certain aisles. Iā€™ll probably have to venture out again in another week and honestly kinda excited to see if there will be any new innovations.

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my kid has a dry cough and keeps coughing every 10 seconds. no other symptoms. they had a runny nose and allergies a few days prior from being in the backyard.

we havenā€™t gone out in 3 weeks. i get the mail at midnight in a p100 mask and then take a shower including washing hair. quarantining packages for a week and cleaning with wipes.

seems very unlikely it could be corona but still feeling sick to my stomach.

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Had a Wal-Mart grocery delivery this weekend. I was actually able to get a slot just two days out, which surprised me. Shopping online is a pain in the ass (Iā€™m better at just figuring out what I need when at the store, aside from having a specific recipe in mind), but overall, Wal-Martā€™s process wasnā€™t bad.

One thing that was different than with the other stores Iā€™ve tried (Publix and Kroger - both for pickup) was that I wasnā€™t given an option on substitutions. I had to ok certain items for substitution ahead of time and then when the person was grabbing the stuff, I got a notification that some things werenā€™t available and some things were substituted. I couldnā€™t reject subs, though - I was just given them. Have to go through a return process if I donā€™t want them, which clearly Iā€™m not doing. I guess it saves me some time - I donā€™t have to sit there and keep responding to a shopper.

Also, the tip option didnā€™t present itself until I just checked the app right now. Thus, I was confused as to tipping. I had cash and asked the guy if he was ok with that or if heā€™d like me to Venmo it or something, but he just took the cash. The FAQ says that Wal-Mart employees donā€™t take tips, but freelancers do. It didnā€™t say which this guy was, so I asked him.

Most of the items were available, even a couple value packs of chicken breasts. Of all the meats, the one that wasnā€™t was Italian sausage.

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it was done by walmart employees and not instacart ? what did the delivery truck look like ?

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I feel you. My son had an upset stomach with lethargy for a few days and even without any primary symptoms I was low key terrified. With a persistent cough I think Iā€™d be setting up a telemedicine appointment.

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We may be generally slow to respond here because weā€™ve seen a lot of initial positive news turn bad.

It does look hopeful. It seems like they are not new to this virus family which is a huge plus. Somewhere else there was a group that was close to or had a SARS vaccine that didnā€™t get funded for its next step. That sounds promising as well, just swap out the antigen. Tons of novel approaches too, but sometimes untested means- needs more time. So anything that can shortcut is awesome.

I have high confidence that something on the vaccine front is the real long term solution. Even if the immunity isnā€™t the greatest it can dramatically slow spread and we can always get booster shots periodically. Plus there are new advancements all the time. The adjuvant in my shingles vaccine certainly stimulates a strong immune response and Iā€™m sure there are other methods under development to improve the chance for strong immunity.

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I found this too. It was filed under NO SHIT. (Directed at trumpkins not you Riv)

My Dad called tonight. Not a trumper as much anti-Clinton and has some poor news sources like chain emails. Dismayed at talks of social security cuts). Gets it but at 90 is vulnerable to the last thing he has heard.

He saw or heard the Bill Gates Ted Talk excerpts which I think carried the implication that Obama ignored warnings and didnā€™t prepare.

I had no patience so I hit him with
2006-GWB gave a speech on pandemics
2014-BO/Joe setup programs including playbook, CDC funding and PREDICT
Then
2017-incoming team ignored briefings and pandemic response training
2018 CDC infections diseases huge cut
2019 whack PREDICT including US scientist in China
(And holy fuck he cut some program today because itā€™s done jointly w lab in Wuhan)

I then sent him news links from CNN NYT and Business Times(?) and suggested that news sources that didnā€™t talk about these stories were probably poor news sources. Iā€™m the only scientist in the family so I do play scold from time to time.

I finished with I wouldnā€™t assign anyone from the current admin to watch my grass grow. When I come home Id be likely to find a hole in my yard and a truck down the street selling dirt and sod.

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Did you take your temperature around then?

Also, those sorts of chills are common for influenza, so it is not particularly helpful in distinguishing the two.

I saw something about temp not being that reliable a Screen. I wonder if yā€™alls pulseox is a better screen. Or maybe in combo with temp.

https://twitter.com/joannekenen/status/1254916307574718465?s=21

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Itā€™s my understanding that, while people are not always symptomatic, if they are, one of their symptoms is almost always a low grade fever. However, screening people based on temperature is flawed, as people have different baselines that they might be savvy to by taking their own temperatures but screeners cannot reasonably be, and of course people can be asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic and still contagious.

If someone has better information, please correct me.

I canā€™t find it with a quick google. Maybe I imagined it. I donā€™t think it said bad but that enough negative temp and positive Cv tests.

Google does give lots of hits on thermal cameras and other contactless temp screening technologies.

A Newsmax reporter asked President Donald Trump about the research project in an April 17 press briefing, suggesting that all $3.7 million had gone to the Wuhan lab.

ā€œWe will end that grant very quickly,ā€ Trump said. ā€œIt was granted quite awhile ago,ā€ he added, referencing the Obama administration. ā€œWho was president then, I wonder?ā€

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Remember back in early March when I started shouting that the food chains were in trouble and most people laughed? Yeah, looks like weā€™re all about to learn a thing or two about the vegan lifestyle:

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-meat-packing-plants-closures-food-31411778-7180-4f58-a1aa-64a709f1eccf.html

Yeah, Iā€™m not speaking from a position of authority, but from my point of view, the things about temperature scanning being ineffective as you describe can largely be explained by the abundance of completely asymptomaic or pre-symptomatic carriers that we know exist at a fairly high frequency. I have not heard of a lot of cases where people had other classic symptoms, like a dry cough and shortness of breath, but no fever.

Iā€™ve been saying this for a while, but people have a range of normal body temperatures, a range of responses to viruses, there are medical conditions and drugs that affect body temperature. Temperature screening people at airports was never going to work.

GL trying to distinguish novel covid from any one of a jillion illnesses based on symptoms alone, youā€™re going to need a test to have any kind of certainty.