COVID-19 (2): Turns out it's going to be pretty bad actually

Given what we know about sunshine, air movement and the virus this really doesn’t worry me a ton. Also Orange Country has had one of the milder outbreaks of any populated area in the country. If beaches were major vectors Florida would have been completely fucked a while back. Also if Georgia, which got hit much harder, is going to open up movie theaters this seems about 100x less concerning.

We’ll see.

Jerry is a junior.

I stockpiled hand sanitizer back in January too, but it’s all gone now. I listened to the advice about not using masks though.

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1254461123753054209

Good fodder whenever you run into an “actually we’re overcounting deaths” truther.

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Pretty sure you can get hoses that have an attached oxygen line on them as well so you can run oxygen into it. I don’t know if there are machines that combine oxygen with them.

I know one time I had pneumonia afterwards they had me on a home oxygen machine. Insurance company leased it. It was semi portable in that it had wheels, and I had about a fifty foot hose. But this was before I got my bi pap machine.

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My father in law has sleep apnea and he uses a cpap machine with no tank; it just uses it from the air

This talk of air tanks seems incorrect. It takes room air and creates pressure to keep the airways open and the lungs getting enough oxygen.

I will second stim. Get some clippers and give the dog a trim of your own. If you are lacking confidence I suspect there are YouTube videos by breed to help you out.

I don’t have any dogs atm, but have had between 3-5 most of my life and depending on breed would shave them down for Sumer time. Again, going to agree with stim, who cares if your dog gets one bad haircut, take pictures and you will always have that corona memory.

If you had a mobile dog groomer you previously used I might be able to see my way through it simply because you can potentially manage it without having to directly meet the groomer (depending on your dog). I am not sure I would be as comfortable for a first time.

Just realized this is soggy derail oops sorry all.

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That does sound very dumb. Your grandpa has to be 50/50 at best of dying if he catches it.

That being said, I can also see him facing his own mortality anyways and wanting to spend time with family.

These become less than simple calls in some cases. Was your grandfather pushing for this party or was it pushed on him as I think there is a massive difference between the two.

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Interesting article here about a potential new treatment. It’s not a miracle cure but it looks like chances are good of some antiviral activity against this thing, this time from a very safe drug.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/new-york-clinical-trial-quietly-tests-heartburn-remedy-against-coronavirus

The trial came about as a result of a natural experiment:

In reviewing 6212 COVID-19 patient records, the doctors noticed that many survivors had been suffering from chronic heartburn and were on famotidine rather than more-expensive omeprazole (Prilosec), the medicine of choice both in the United States and among wealthier Chinese. Hospitalized COVID-19 patients on famotidine appeared to be dying at a rate of about 14% compared with 27% for those not on the drug, although the analysis was crude and the result was not statistically significant.

There were then computer modelling tests to see if the drug might interact with one of the virus’s enzymes:

Pottel then tested how 2600 different compounds interact with the new protease. The modeling yielded several dozen promising hits that pharmaceutical chemists and other experts narrowed to three. Famotidine was one. (The compound has not popped up in in vitro screens of existing drug libraries for antiviral activity, however.)

The NY hospital system Northwell then used its own money to start a trial of this drug, however there is a catch. Prepare to roll your eyes:

The study’s draft protocol was aimed only at evaluating famotidine’s efficacy, but Trump’s “game-changer” antimalarial drug was rapidly becoming the standard of care for hospitalized COVID-19 patients. That meant investigators would only be able to recruit enough subjects for a trial that tested a combination of famotidine and hydroxychloroquine. Those patients would be compared with a hydroxychloroquine-only arm and a historic control arm made up of hundreds of patients treated earlier in the outbreak. “Is it good science? No,” Tracey says. “It’s the real world.”

They’ve had good anecdotal results, so hopefully this goes somewhere.

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I still read stories every day about another distillery making hand sanitizer. Some are donating it to hospitals, police and fire departments, others are making it available in a variety of other ways.

I have not seen a drop of this secret elixir anywhere.

I still have some left from my supply I had long before this all happened, but I have been wanting to get more.

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Not as good as you might think. It was posted in the wirelessbro thread and he hand-waved it away. Most of what he was spewing was, as you might expect, incoherent drivel. The most cogent of his “arguments” was it was in the NYT and as everyone knows NYT can’t be trusted.

Nobody here has a brother like that.

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Great. I take omeprazole for chronic heartburn. Well at least I just loaded up. I’m good for 3-4 months I think.

Maybe I can sell it on the black market and go back to tums.

Hmmm looks like it’s popular in Italy:

There are five PPIs available in Italy (omeprazole, pantoprazole, lansoprazole, rabeprazole and esomeprazole), representing between 5% and 10% of total pharmaceutical prescriptions, similar to other countries[5-7].

Omeprazole is the one that doesn’t work. Famotidine is the compound under study.

Oh duh. Well I guess it won’t be disrupted then.

Apparently famotidine is Pepcid? That shit did nothing for my heartburn.

I think I literally just threw a bunch out. Shit. There’s going to be a huge run now on it.

That’s the one that USA#1 healthcare insurance system wouldn’t pay for because it wasn’t prescription. So they prescribed me something similar that was like 50x more expensive and insurance covered it.

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I got a couple of bottles. It probably gets the job done but it’s not as viscous. It’s closer to the consistency of rubbing alcohol than purel gel. Just one distillery, so maybe a bad sample.

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Right. I have a bipap machine which is basically a bi level cpap that reaches stronger pressures. Sits between CPAP and BIPAP. Some people might need both, I don’t really know.

Thinking back though, when I have been in the hospital with pneumonia, and was on oxygen, they would take me off the oxygen before I went to sleep with my bipap.

One thing I will say, I have been on a bipap for a long time now. Before I got it, I would get upper respiratory infections almost non stop for all my life. Getting head congestion would cause me to sleep poorly, which would in turn make my infection worse, it would move to my lungs, and then I would cough for several weeks. I would get a couple few/weeks off and the cycle would repeat.

Getting on a bipap with humidifier changed all that for me. I rarely get upper respiratory infections on it. I have had two more cases of pneumonia since I have been on it, but symptom wise it has been much much better dealing with pneumonia on the machine, than when I did not have it.

It is one thing I am a little thankful for, that if for some reason I got Covid, having the bipap should help me from having to go to the hospital a bit longer than I otherwise would.

One final note when I have gone to the hospital they much prefer I bring my own machine from home as opposed to using their equipment. I think it is mostly for familiarity and comfort. I assume even more so now.

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Yeah I don’t expect it’s going to win them over. But in my case it’s more just to slow them down on the ZOMG they’re overcounting! stuff.

And I’m also talking about the Rogan bros on my feed who aren’t full blown deplorable but think the media and govt lies about everything and they have an inside track on the real scoop - mannnn. They aren’t 100% bad faith though and they do like to think they’re kind of sciencey - so they will engage. Invariably they also have some true idiots in their comment stream and this stuff helps neutralize the idiots a bit.

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I guess quitting is not an option in #FreeRussia.