Council of Captains Discussion Thread

[otatop]

@Rugby

start a new sub forum

jmakin started the RFC for this but the title was changed because the group that wanted the new subforum hadn’t figured out how they wanted to word the RFC or something along those lines.

[anon10396289]

@Vict0ar

and I also will add that it was trending toward being public anyway but then the timing matters as people should have known it was going to be revealed to clean up any posts that were not intended to be public. realize the PM convo started very small and gradually increased.

When jmakin made this thread public I pruned some of my posts. I don’t think there was anything bad, just stuff that isn’t all that relevant to what the thread was about and might be taken the wrong way. Jmakin then undeleted a bunch of those PMs and removed my ability to delete posts (not sure if the rest of the forum can still delete).

[econophile]

pretty boring thread iyam

[Rugby]

Okay. So wheres the discussion about what to put in the RFCs?

Did i miss it?

[i2i]

lol seems like a lot of people have disagreements on who to put in this “bad actors” club but sure that’s the issue

[boredsocial]

Absolutely no trying required.

[i2i]

lol board full of disgusting slimy cowards. Somehow abusive posting is only looked at when it comes from certain people. We literally have jmakin saying the posters here are the but low of Internet forums now we have disgusting slimy cowards. Some people need to get off their high horses acting as if only a few bad actors bring in this negative culture or whatever bullshit some of you are using to justify permabans of certain members

[TrollyWantACracker]

Is this where we can ask for the creation of an Economics Subforum? I have some Nobel proposal ideas I’d like to workshop. tia.

[catfacemeowmers]

Is it possible to manipulate the logs? Jmakin said no, but I don’t trust anything he says.

Separately, do the logs show when he looks at the participants in a PM thread/number of posts/etc?

[zarapochkas_ghost]

Did you read this thread? At least diagonally?

I mean I said that
" I am happy that not everyone on this board is a slimy disgusting coward. ".
But in this thread there are a lot that are exactly that: slimy disgusting cowards, scared to live what they talk. No judgment about you because you are plain not in this thread.

And I have many flaws: I make mistakes in judgment, I often plain don’t know what is the right thing in one or other situation, some might consider me disgusting, (like 6ix said it is preference), but one thing I am 100% not it is not a coward. I am one and I am generally pretty upfront about whom and what I like and why. So I allow myself here the judgment I made in my first post.

I hope that some will do some soul searching. I will do. This thread highlighted so many mistakes in judgment I did, that it is also mindblowing.

[otatop]

This is the thread with discussion of an “Unstuck Unchained” type subforum, this was jmakin’s RFC attempt for that subforum.

[anon10396289]

To me the modding is the least of it. I agree wholeheartedly with catface’s post below, especially the last paragraph:

@catfacemeowmers

Thanks for the invite to this thread @microbet. I would very much prefer to not have another site, but like the idea of a sub forum with different posting and modding philosophies. I do worry that we’ve already got a small-ish user base and further fracturing it might not leave something viable behind.

I’ll be honest and say that, with a few noteworthy exceptions, I don’t have huge complaints with the actual modding decisions that are made here. The Sabo ban is terrible, Marty (and a few others) for whatever reason catches way more shit than he deserves from the mods, and the whole RFC thing is a farce, but largely the mods don’t do a whole lot, which is how it should be.

I do have serious issues with the attitudes and general in-group/out-group stuff that I see here every day, and a lot of that does come from the moderators and the group of 5-6 posters that are in their “group”. If you want to give Marty (just as an example - sorry Marty) a temp for crossing the line in an argument, fine, but the mods also treat him (and others) as though the things he’s arguing about have no legitimacy, no basis in reality. It’s gaslighting, plain and simple. And it all bleeds out into other discussions on the forum that exhibit the same dismissive condescending tone. Tbf, I’ve definitely engaged in the same kind of low energy mocking responses, so… glass houses and all that.

[anon10396289]

@boredsocial

Absolutely no trying required.

indeed!

[ChrisV]

I agree that there’s a lot of groupthink here and a bunch of piling-on to heterodox opinions but I don’t know what to do about that. I’d try some stronger moderation against piling-on but I can’t say I’m convinced it would accomplish much. People are just much more willing to be confrontational towards people online than in real life. I’m like that myself. I would never tell people that their religion is a fairytale to their faces in real life but I’ll totally do it on here, so I can’t really act shocked when other people become way more aggressive in prosecuting their opinions in other areas.

[ChrisV]

@Vict0ar

so like…wat!!!

Wait this is real? What the fuck?

[superuberbob]

Pretty much what I did.

Only saw my name twice and the second one was quoting another post. Lame. I need to be more of a dick to get attention.

[zarapochkas_ghost]

You think about wrong stuff. You should think more about your conflicts and your deamons. You said a couple of days ago something about conflicts and how much pressure you have from that. Deal with that and then no JM will have any power over you. There is no admin, no mod and no boss that have any power over me.

For now you are one of the slimy disgusting cowards.

[catfacemeowmers]

@JT2

Jmakin should have his powers stripped immediately. He should have all of his pms published and all of his actions published. He should be ip banned. He said that if he would never do anything like this. Frankly I am concerned what else he will do. It is fucking absurd that I have to make a god damned new account to say this. This is a legitimate security threat.

All of this. I could care less about his PMs tbh, but I’d like to see what he’s done as admin.

[catfacemeowmers]

And actually scratch that I’d like to see his PMs from the last two weeks too. Several people referenced this PM thread who were not in it. I’d like to know if JM was PMing them about its existence.

[superuberbob]

Let’s be real for a second.

We’re not gonna let the forum of white supremacists we separated from outlast us, right?

I mean they don’t deserve to be around longer than us.