Burning it down

[Marksman]

Do you think you are putting people off here with that idea?

[Cactus]

@lovemuffin

Note that this isn’t to say that therefore you ought to just accept the status quo, but I think it’s pretty naive to think there’s no risk or that it can’t be much, much worse if society breaks down. I’m worried that there’s a lot of magical thinking involved when people answer questions about how “burning it down” will help by waving their hands and imagining the revolution which leads to justice for all.

I think most of the people who have thought this through are under no delusions and understand that “burning it down” won’t necessarily leave us in a garden of Eden. It might end very badly. But this is what happens when people run out of options. This is what happens when they keep killing black people who have no recourse. When they suppress votes. When they throw up the shittiest candidates possible to vote for. When they steal our wealth to give to the billionaire class. This is what happens when the establishment continues to go against the people’s will.

When there are no good remaining options you either burn it all down or you succumb to the elite and loss of democracy. I don’t think we’re quite there yet, but we’re close

[Cactus]

It’s not what my gun does. It’s the government fearing the people instead of the other way around. I do agree that leaving is certainly an option. I also would hope we can rise above our problems through the power of democracy and voting. I just don’t see us as much of a democracy anymore. Talk me about of it. Maybe my views have been tainted by seeing how corrupt and truly evil the establishment is. My awaking has been somewhat recent. I used to think Rachel fucking Maddow was a leftie progressive! I’ve been played for a fool

[wheatrich]

pretty much the first rule for anyone who’s ever been in an authoritarian state is

things can always get worse

we’re not quite there though some are trying but yes, yes it can

[simplicitus]

@NotBruceZ

Things will get better if we can harm the 1%. We just have to go through a lot of other people to get to them.

There will always be a 1%, by definition.

[simplicitus]

@zarapochka

I don’t know how exactly the police in USA organized and who is on top. I know that for example here police actions are regulated by special set of laws. If I thought that something totally weird is going on, I would try to start a law-initiative for the corresponding law change.

From the idea I would try to go the same line in USA.

Police organization tends to be pretty local in the US, though there are national policies that support local control, such as qualified immunity from responsibility. If often comes down to the discretionary exercise of national powers of whether to hold local police accountable.

Eg, Trump administration has sought to undo Obama era consent decrees for local police.

[simplicitus]

@zarapochka

This attitude is so … like teenager boys think.

Yes, it’s basically fantasy. Like, we can go back to everyone dying young and hungry. It’s kinda the “normal” state of affairs for human beings.

[prana]

Normal people itt

[MysteryConman]

@simplicitus

There will always be a 1%, by definition.

But they won’t always own more wealth than the bottom ~80% of the population.

[simplicitus]

https://twitter.com/PerryStein/status/1267278729878913027?s=19

[simplicitus]

Looks like they’re burning it down alright.

https://twitter.com/KateBennett_DC/status/1267288073731215364?s=19

[anachronistic]

Seems on brand

https://mobile.twitter.com/gxsingularity/status/1267291208872689664

[oneeyedtripping]

lol get some perspective man, unions are raided by politicians a million times worse than some damage to a building by random kids and umm also doesn’t the afl-cio work with police unions, this whole protest is about the police system

[chupacabre]

Yeah this the problem. The government is the equivalent of a Roman Emperor. Controls 90% of the wealth by virtue of debt based currency. Everyone gets got. AR-15? No problem, here’s a drone attack. Target neutralized. Also, the 1% are so insulated. Like by real estate, finances, everything. Hate to be ll conspiriatiral, but the 1% and the FED GOV have such an incestious relationship, its not going to break the way we want it.

[Dutch101]

I agree that burning it all down does not work if the majority of the population is on the side of the oppressors. It just increases their power while they beat down the protesters. I still believe that isn’t true in the USA when it comes to police brutality and then protests that turn violent when opposed by police can work.

[MysteryConman]

@chupacabre

Hate to be ll conspiriatiral, but the 1% and the FED GOV have such an incestious relationship

Not a conspiracy. That’s the way it’s always been.

[simplicitus]

I give the looters in Santa Monica some credit. Don’t loot the stores where you live. Loot the upscale stores in the white area.

[bobman0330]

White nationalist dictatorships don’t require the support of a majority of the people… that’s what makes them dictatorships!

[boredsocial]

The United States is dealing with a bout of fascism. It will pass. They are stretching the outer boundaries of their power right now. Power used is power lost tbh.

When this all shakes out I’m pretty confident the president will have a lot more oversight from the legislative branch, and the senate won’t have a filibuster.

The really interesting moment is when Trump loses and refuses to go. Unfortunately for him he’s spent the last 3 years abusing the very people he’d need to carry out a coup.

[Dutch101]

I disagree with that. Dictators get into power with the majority of the population agreeing. They can hold onto it long after that majority is gone and dictators can replace existing dictators but I don’t think the USA is at a point where the population takes Trumps side if he tries to use this to become a dictator for life.