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I never said idolized, I said King found Lincoln to be a personal inspiration. I do not find it weird that King found Lincoln to be a personal inspiration. Do you? If so why?

Welcome, I suppose.

If I said Nathan Bedford Forrest was a personal inspiration, would you think anything of it?

It wouldn’t surprise me, or change my opinion of you much from where it is now.

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What a twist!

Lol got ‘em

Just exposing hypocrisy is all.

Oh you have a nickname for your ass?

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Gotta love with all the shit that is going on this is the shit he wants to argue about

well tbh his virus predictions not going so well lol so…

Do you think the main reason that people want to tear down confederate memorials is that they depict people that were racist?

yeah, must suck for you to have such crappy stereotypical “dumb southern” views. Reminds me of HS teachers I had growing up in the rural south in the 70s. They grew up in a hick filled shit hole, had to teach there because it was the only place they could get a job with their awful knowledge base and probably died there bitter at how shitty their life was.

When and why were those Southern statues erected?

How do you feel about the amount of golf Trump plays?

In what way did you ancestors have no choice? There were Southern Unionists who opposed secession. Why did Winston County in Alabama resist the Confederacy? Did they have a choice that others didn’t?

Is this similar to the argument that the Japanese had no choice but to attack Pearl Harbor because an American oil embargo was starving Japan of resources it needed to maintain its empire in Asia?

What were the monetary reasons for the South seceding? The textbook explanation is that the Southern economy was dependent upon slave labor, especially in the production of cotton, so the South worked hard to protect the institution of slavery, leading to secession when it feared that the election of Lincoln was a threat to slavery. One could argue that secession was primarily about Southern fear that its power relative to the North was going to decline, but in practice, that political power had mainly been used to protect slavery. In what way is this explanation wrong?

I’m shocked that @Heritagenothate chose to completely ignore this. Shocked I tell you.

There’s a reason we go to war in Sherman tanks and not McClelland tanks. Really, this is the one life you will ever live, and your main concern seems to be “rehabilitating” the South when the rest of the country long ago moved on. I don’t blame the South of this day, or at least the individuals, for slavery, but I do think the South is currently engaged in a war against science and reason and cannot hide the fact that white Southerners overwhelmingly supported Trump. For this, the South will ultimately be made to answer. If you removed the South from national politics, we would basically be like a normal country. The South is holding us back. They could join us in the hot tub of humanity, but instead the South insists that it prefers bathing in cold, dirty water. The only thing the South has never had a scarcity of is pride.

Like, why was Germany one of the most sophisticated and progressive nations in the world a mere 50 years after WWII and the South limps along 150 years after the Civil War? Because Germany did not create and become enraptured with a fake history to enable the continued persecuting jews. Jews were not lynched after the end of WWII as a means for white Germans to retain control and enforce terror. They accounted, to the extent they could, for their crimes and moved on.

Maybe the South should do the same instead of wrapping its identity in a world view that inevitably conflicts with the truths of science of history.

More fundamentally, when I was studying various things at school, from philosophy to science to history, the overriding message was that truth matters and you should work hard to determine the truth and conform your views to it. All I see from you is shallow apologetics for views that you are opposed to examining with any kind of rigor, lest you injure your fragile identity. Your conclusion was settled by your emotions as soon as you were brainwashed into your role as a southern white man victim, who (in any event) was right all along. That’s just pathetic.

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Does this dumbass really not get that merely being racist in the 1860s(and also being the catalyst for ending slavery) vs. wanting to own people as property to torture and rape them is quite a step in the right direction?

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Recently did a tour of a cave in Texas and they mentioned that the Confederate Texans used to hide supplies in it during the Civil War because Unionist Texans kept sabotaging the trains and blowing up supplies

NOBODY WANTS YOU TO FEEL GUILTY.

It’s the same strawman every goddamn time

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Why? Because regardless of whether Lincoln was personally racist or what his personal motivations were, he ended slavery in this country, which is objectively not a racist thing to do. Nathan Bedford Forrest, on the other hand, fought to keep slavery and then, after the traitorous piece of shit lost the war, he founded a racist terrorist organization that