No way Kennedy gets 17% of any vote unless itâs a vote for the living Kennedy you might have heard of before.
The PPP program, but there are arguments for why this wasnât really a handout to businesses (it was). Research it and Iâm happy to answer any questions you have. But bottom line, for businesses like mine that still had money coming in it resulted in just a big windfall. It did keep some of our people employed at a time that they would have been laid off, but ultimately benefited the business owners a ton.
Also the EIDL program just sent everybody $10K scot-free at one point.
lmao republicans are the real people who have got their votes bought, someone says their taxes will be lower if they vote for me over the other guy and everyone jumps right in no questions asked
The thing I like to bring up is the idea that relatively naive kids are being told they can take out six figures in loans and theyâll get a high-paying job and everything will be cool, and when they literally canât find a job better than Starbucks after graduating, the system has failed them, and those kids should be the target of loan forgiveness, not the ones that got hired making six figures out of the gate or whatever.
Phrase it like âthink of how stupid you were at 18, and how outside of education no one would ever trust you to borrow this kind of $$â angle, maybe go with the whole âhigher education is kind of a scamâ thing if the person youâre arguing with isnât a college grad. I feel like youâre likely to find some common ground, although in the end who knows if it moves the needle.
His boss will obviously say he doesnât like PPP also.
I appreciate the effort, but this argument would NOT work with him! He already feels that wealthy people are wealthy because theyâre smarter and harder working and poor people are poor because theyâre mostly dumb and lazy. Itâs incredibly frustrating debating this with him
He would immediately say, why should smart kids who pay back their loans back be penalized because of some dumb kids? His stance is pretty simple. If you borrow money, pay it back
Yeah Iâm pretty sure from the sound of it, this guy isnât worth the trouble to argue with, heâs gonna pound that one point, and even if you bring up PPP loans heâll just say âthatâs differentâ.
The only thing more annoying is the ones that jump right to the strawman of âwell maybe the kids shoulda been smart enough not to get a degree in 18th century poetry or womenâs studies, hurr durrâ or whatever.
Republicans are basically experts in bad faith arguments because that is all they consume 24/7. It isnât worth debating or discussing politics with them ever.
I graduated college with $106k in debt. I have been paying back between $570 and $1150 every single month since 2011, and have made several chunk payments ranging from $1k to $10k as well. Letâs go with a conservative average of $700/month for 13 years. Thatâs $109k plus at least $20k in chunk payments I have paid back, for a conservative total of $129k. I still owe $29,000.
I was given six figure of high interest debt when I was a literal child, and was convinced by all the responsible adults that it was the only right choice. I have faithfully paid back well more than I borrowed, and still owe a significant amount. Itâs a predatory scam.
On the flip side, if I tried to get a mortgage today I would be denied despite having an 805 credit score and a steady above average income. Why? Because I carry that debt still. The system has been fucking me for over a decade even though I did everything right.
If your boss doesnât understand why someone like me would benefit from debt forgiveness while not at all hurting the government, theyâre a lost cause.
Iâm not sure if it will actually win a debate, but you could see what he thinks about corporate bankruptcy laws. He may just say that companies should pay their debts, but, if he tries to give reasons to explain why businesses should be able to have their debt forgiven, you might be able to draw some analogies about why student loans should also be forgiven (at least in certain situations)
CNN itself is helping that push by moving more to the right to counter its perception as being some kind of pinko lefty channel.
The argument is your country is dumb for having tuition be so ridiculously high and since they canât fix that right away they are trying the next best thing which is forgiving student loans.
They are fixing the symptoms rather than curing the disease, but at least itâs something.
cue the North York Rangers guy mosdef with âThatâs Socialismâ
Yeah for real. I graduated in 2000 from a big state school (Big 12) with not a lot of debt. I was able to pay it off pretty quickly after I got a job starting out at like 45k a year back then. If I were to do the same thing today even at a state school it wouldnât even be close. Itâs easy for me to sympathize and want to have others be helped out of debt even though through total luck of timing/school I was able to pay off my debt.
My wife went back to school and gets to do PSLF because she works for a state school and it counts. I think they should at a minimum just extend PSLF to any job. Pay whatever the minimums are for 10 years and then be done. You have a better job the minimums are higher. Seems pretty logical to me.
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If Fox News screams and yells long enough about something, eventually outlets like CNN pick up on whatever is going on. And itâs very difficult for people to wrap their head around the idea that the whole thing is bad faith so eventually people get the idea that thereâs some kernel of truth to whatever Fox is yelling about. So people always get the sense that the truth is somewhere inbetween.
There is a plumbing company around me that has ~10 trucks that was 2 weeks booked out during covid that got ~$100k in free money.
I work for a medical software company that got $1.5M. Early in the pandemic, new sales obviously dipped for a while and a bunch of clients stopped paying support fees, but AFAIK we recouped all the back fees when they jumped back on a few months later.
Meanwhile, over the course of the pandemic (and since), we lost a solid handful of support/training staff via attrition, and either didnât replace them or hired more folks in India for pennies on the dollar. I guess you could argue without the PPP it would have been layoffs instead of attrition, but who the fuck knows.
Heâs consistent if nothing else. He doesnât believe in corporate bankruptcy, didnât like the ppp loans and companies not paying it back, etc. If you borrow money, pay it back. He even once said, if I borrow money on unfavorable terms, thatâs my fault
I actually have a lot of respect for the guy. He doesnât advocate for anyone else something heâs not willing to do himself. I truly believe that whatever adverse situation he found himself in from a money or business standpoint, heâd figure a way to work his way out of it. Heâs kind of an interesting guy whoâs had many hardships
Edit: I should add I respect some things about him. The fact he seems to have no empathy for people who arenât like him isnât worthy of respect imo
The biggest law firms all took millions in PPP while their businesses thrived. Pure corporate welfare.