Biden thread III: Still Robinette after all these years

[CaffeineNeeded]

Unironically posting ben garrison propaganda, lol

[beetlejuice]

[Soulman]

Huge if true

[Danspartan]

Found a other of Elmo’s burner accounts?

[AngryQueer]

[LFS]

[AngryQueer]

Feels like “super ager” should have been reserved for someone who has a 70-year old’s body at 30

[freddbird]

[TrollyWantACracker]

I can’t tell what level these people are on, but I still wouldn’t be surprised if Biden is capable of driving or independent living. Not really sure if that captures the moment but there you go.

[AngryQueer]

@TrollyWantACracker

but I still wouldn’t be surprised if Biden is capable of driving or independent living

I would be surprised if he wasn’t

I don’t really understand why everyone has to go to extreme incompetence or medical diagnosis when it’s really just that they’d like a quicker Presidential mind, and maybe a clearer voice

[wirelessgrinder]

Agreed, I doubt he has dementia in any real way, dudes just too old and it shows and he’s a shit candidate now and there’s no way to fix this other than a new candidate

[EmpireMan]

Superagerfragilesickdickosteoporosis

pleasantly surprised that clyburn endorsed open primary idea

[monetary_expert]

just opened this thread for the first time in 2 months and these are the first posts i come back to - oh how naive we were. the main takeaway is that we were clearly working with imperfect information, under the assumption that if the sitting POTUS had declined to the extent that he has that it surely would have come out in the media by now. The extent that Biden’s condition was covered up by the dozens/hundreds of people who interact with him on a daily basis over the last 4 years probably should be one of the bigger Presidential scandals of our lifetime

@econophile

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/15/politics/joe-biden-debate/index.html

@Trolly

So the future of Western democracy depends on some 81-year-old not fumbling a debate, this will be a fun sweat.

@Cactus

I didn’t think Hillary should’ve debated and I don’t think Biden should either. He’s a twice impeached indicted on 91 felony counts fool who doesn’t deserve the platform imo

@Bigoldnit

Yep. And remember how Obama got smoked by Romney in their first debate? Having to actually do the job of President (+ spending 4 years surrounded by folks who ultimately have to defer to your decisions) isn’t great debate prep.

I guess one big advantage for Biden is that expectations will be relatively low?

@hokie

Seems like this can only hurt Biden but whatever

@Trolly

Letting people see Trump in his increasingly unstable form is good for the Dems, I think. Problem is, if Joe has an old guy moment and says something dumb it’s catastrophic.

@ViridianDreams

After watching her yesterday, I’d feel confident if it was Doris Kearns Goodwin. Not so confident in Biden.

@Riverman

I think its a good move. You have to get Trump in front of normies at every possible opportunity.

@Hired_Goons

June? Why are our f******* elections so f****** long?

@Chippa58

June is fine. Maybe after we see it, we’ll decide there’s still time to get two different candidates.

@LFS

I was terrified of the SOTU and Jacked Up Joe delivered, I have some faith he can bring the smoke a couple more times.

@amead

Wish I didn’t feel that way, but I have a hard time imagining Joe doesn’t get annihilated. Obviously both sides will claim resounding, total victory, but I’m not even sure I’ll be able to force myself watch the spectacle.

@Chippa58

I think Biden will do fine. He can likely articulate his policies far better than Trump can articulate his, especially since he’s just making them up on the fly. If there’s no studio audience, that will likely help Biden.

@NotBruceZ

Trump having a dementia moment opposite stable Joe on a debate stage might break through to enough people.

@mosdef

I thought that the analytics showed that debates hardly matter? Much is made of them in narrative building, but my recollection is that hardly anything changes in the trend of support among candidate.

Also, there is the built in asymmetry where if both candidates are awful, then that favors Republicans, because may people are quick to adopt the attitude “if both sides are unappealing then I vote R because then at last I get tax cuts”.

@grue

Forget the audience the real story is the mic cut when not their time. With that the 2020 debates would have gone a lot better imo. You’ll see him making faces and impotently trying to talk during joe’s turn and during trump’s turn joe can take a little nap.

@NotBruceZ

The media is the primary audience for debates.

@bbb7979

Yeah I don’t get everyone saying it’s all downside for Biden. This is a chance for him to remind everyone in the country including Republicans what an idiot and asshole Trump is. If Biden was ahead 10 points in the polls I could see it maybe not being worth the risk.

He’s mostly behind in the polls and his opponent in a moron. And an off putting one at that. Why would you not want to debate the guy on national TV?

@L.Washington

The debates don’t matter, especially in this case when they’re gonna be so far out from the election there will be another million news cycles and everyone will forget they even happened.

@LFS

Oh no way will I be doing that. I will count on the brave soldiers of UP to liveblog it for me.

@ParlaySlow

Biden is already losing by 5-10 points in most of the battleground states. How bad of a decision could this possibly be?

I could easily make the argument that Trump was the one who blundered by starting down the path of poking Biden to debate him when he could have probably found a way to avoid the debates altogether.

@Kep

There’s no way for Trump to blunder a debate. Trump can literally shit his pants and it wouldn’t matter.

@Cactus

The problem is, if god forbid Joe mispronounces an ambassador’s name while Trump confuses Hillary Clinton with Stormy Daniels 3 times, all the press will be talking about is Biden’s gaffe

@kre8tive

I’m in agreement here, by any discernable metric presidential debates haven’t had a real effect on election outcomes since Nixon/JFK. This election shouldn’t be any different, anyone who currently plans to vote for tRUmp won’t be dissuaded by anything that occurs on the debate stage.

@grue

Should Joe debate Trump (no audience, mic cut when out of turn)?

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@WichitaDM

People just don’t like Joe Biden. They didn’t like him 4 years ago, he just wasn’t Trump. They like him less now. They probably like Trump less too but they overall question will be the magnitude of the popularity decline for both candidates. Trump also has a 38% baseline or whatever with his cult.

@bbb7979

I think Trump will get out of it like Elon getting out of the wrestling match with Zuck. A debate will help kill the idea that Biden has dementia and will reveal that Trump is an idiot. The chances of the debate happening are less than 50% and the chances of Biden losing the debate if it happens is way less than 50%. The chance of Trump looking like a bitch whining his way out of the debate is actually pretty high

@Riverman

But Trump is an idiot who thinks he’s great at this.

@bbb7979

True, but also an easily manipulated idiot

@Trolly

Last debates worked out quite well for Biden. I think they are +EV, but if he fucks up and looks like a demented old man, they could be disastrous.

@beetlejuice

It sure feels like a majority of all voters think biden cant put two sentences together. He just did an hour and a half long live interview with howard stern the other day and he seemed with it. A lot of people are gonna be shocked at how not asleep at the wheel he is

@Huehuecoyotl

I think the debates are good. Otherwise Trump gets to continue his channel selection. He gets to say to the Republican base that he’ll ban abortion and murder everyone and gets to avoid coverage to the mainstream. Biden can force him to have to answer those questions in front of a wide audience.

But from the data debates don’t matter too much either way :(

[beetlejuice]

[RiskyFlush]

This was a fun ride.

[RiskyFlush]

[Hired_Goons]

Shout out to @Chippa58

@Chippa58

June is fine. Maybe after we see it, we’ll decide there’s still time to get two different candidates.

[bbb7979]

LOL “a debate will help kill the idea that Biden has dementia”

Credit to those who saw it earlier than me. I was fooled by teleprompter Joe at the SOTU

I still think it’s good they did the debate early and there’s enough news cycles before the convention for the aftermath to play out and hopefully result in a better candidate.

[AngryQueer]

@bbb7979

hopefully result in a better candidate.

@SweetSummerChild

[Riverman]

Galaxy brain take; aides agreed to the early debate to save the country