i look forward to your expose. please put any documents onto my discord.
Lmao
In a hilarious coincidence, today is your lucky day because Joe said it himself
âCivilians have been killed in Gaza as a consequence of those bombs and other ways in which they go after population centers,â Biden said during a CNN interview when asked whether the 2,000-pound bombs sent to Israel have killed civilians.
Itâs been talked about by other organizations but maybe now youâll believe it since it came from St. Joe himself and the almighty mainstream news
And this is interesting because we get to test the very hypothetical I posed above! Will the administration talking about Israel using US-made weapons to kill Palestinian civilians result in a change in public opinion? Letâs find out
(Sorry, ikes and chesspain, that you had to find out this way that Joe is also anti-Semitic. Bummer that you still have to vote for him, rules are rules after all)
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And the activists are trying to do that no? And youâre bitching about it no?
Hokie appreciate you in this thread
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IIRC wookie supports the protests as protests but draws the line at threatening not to vote for Biden. Which makes the protests just seem a little performative if thatâs the case.
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I was away working, but thanks for assuming bullshit about me. Iâve been working on campaigns long enough to understand that the vast majority of people donât volunteer or donate to any political candidate, and I donât expect them to. I wish they would, but I also understand how the world works.
Honestly, if you donât live in a swing state, abstain away! Just promise me youâll vote for all of your local races. If you do live in a swing state, then the most I can ask of anyone here is to vote for Biden. Itâs not marriage, itâs chess.
If you want to volunteer or donate, great. Honestly, Iâd rather you volunteer or donate to a school board or city council candidate, because your time and money will go MUCH further there.
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This statement acknowledges a contingent of people who would switch their vote or stay home if Biden were to pivot tomorrow and take the more leftist position on Israel/Gaza.
You should be just as pissed at them as you are with the leftist groups youâre criticizing now.
Why? They arenât in this thread trolling about voting for Trump or not voting for Biden. At least if they selfishly argued that Biden should pander to them theyâd be right though.
Oh and to add to that, I donât think many of the leftists agitating for more drastic measures would actually vote for Biden if Biden took them. Theyâd find something else, claim moral superiority, and hope their ideology rises from the ashes.
It must be nice to create an unfalsifiable image of âmany ofâ the people advocating for change, despite being presented with examples of some that have already signaled that theyâll vote for Biden anyways. In case you also ignored those parts of my posts, Iâll make it clear that Iâm referring to myself.
And for those who wonât change their vote, why should they? If Bidenâs actions are so unforgivable to them why should they be expected to vote for him? Does that somehow negate their protest?
Feels like a sea change in US/Israeli relations, not sure any president in my lifetime would have even threatened to withhold weapons like this. US is in the dubious position of airlifting aid over our own allies, the 30-and-under crowd is completely breaking rank, the center cannot hold.
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Again, I already said I support the protests. I support their message, and I support their work to sway both politicians and public opinion.
The question was about whoâs to blame in a narrow election loss, a fringe group that wouldnât join the coalition or the coalition that wouldnât court the fringe. Given the nature of democracy, I posit that the fringe is more to blame in that case due to their failure to have swayed public opinion.
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Im not quite sure I understand your point, but
If your kneejerk response to
Insert cartoonishly evil thing Israel is doing
is to assume itâs some kind of conspiracy instead of well established, then maybe you need to reconsider how you consume media on this conflict
The Biden verse is cringe as fuck. Itâs self aggrandizement over substance.
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Eh, itâs okay by Macklemore standards, and itâs not like he had a tone of time to polish it.
I think that is right and I think as little as the admin has done, itâs more than anyone would have reasonably expected and I think more than any other Dem would have done - certainly more than first term Obama. Maybe second term Obama would have done similar.
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If the civilized world is really civilized, theyâll look at what has happened in Israel and AI targeting will become recognized as a war crime. Itâs a big part of why this war is a couple orders of magnitude different than anything Israel has done in the last 50 years.
Civilized world is not really civilized though and
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Apparently Reagan did, multiple times
Protests are not performative if you still vote for Biden over the guy who promises to be worse. Of course not. Maybe they didnât work, or didnât work enough and/or yet, but thatâs not because I think they were performative or insincere. Sometimes, you do the best you can, and you lose, even if your cause is just and righteous. Do you flip over the table when you lose a board game? I mean, I hope not. I donât support burning society to the ground if we lose on an issue, either. Iâd rather keep working and keep trying, and Iâd rather do that from the position of status quo rather than setting myself back decades and having to re-win things that had already been hard-fought wins.
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