The reason the D bargaining position is weaker is they are unlikely to control the Senate. Mitch knows this, so his offer got worse. His offer won’t get better if Chuck throws a hissy fit.
I wouldn’t take the current deal and I don’t think Chuck would either. But that means there won’t be a deal unless we luckbox GA. If you think a deal is important, you must take whatever is available no later than Christmas.
This deal provides help to roughly no one outside of the donor class. Why would we care if it passes?
We wouldn’t. There is no chance of an acceptable deal now that the election is over and Mitch wants to inflict pain on the country. But, he would be willing to inflict less pain in exchange for a liability shield. That’s the consequence for not caving in September.
Mitch wasn’t passing a bill in September of any different variety than this.
We correctly take it as a given, but it is so fucked up that Mitch (backed by 45+ GOP Senators) legitimately just doesn’t fucking care if people starve in the streets. It’s even more fucked up that there is zero or negative political blowback.
They are real good at pinning it on dems and dems are real bad at convincing people of the reality of what’s happening. Got to give them credit for being much better at the propaganda game.
Dems care too much about nuance in an attempt to be accurate. Republicans are more results-oriented.
Keep it simple…
The truth here is very simple. Mitch McConnell and the GOP give endless money to rich people and corporations and none to working people. The fact that Democrats aren’t even trying to amplify that very simple and very true message tells you they’re either in on it or stupid, either way they have to go.
This is stimulus and covid related. We can probably get more people to stay home if we give them money
https://twitter.com/tarvariouswwmt/status/1334341498368897024?s=21
Considering how awful the current stimulus proposal is in comparison to what was allegedly on the table a couple of months ago…does that mean nunehi was right, and the Dems should have taken it at that time?
The last several months are a blend of fact and fantasy in my mind, so this is a genuine question: Was there ever a deal that both the White House and Senate supported? I didn’t think there was. I thought it was Pelosi inexplicably negotiating with the WH knowing that any bargain reached would be voted down by the Senate.
If she didn’t push in those circumstances she’s even more retarded than we previously thought. The senate voting down a stimulus bill that Trump approved would have gotten them fucking KILLED in the election.
I’m of the opinion that Pelosi should have taken the 1.8 trillion. I doubt it really would have helped Trump, especially since people wouldn’t have gotten the money until after the election.
Amazing they forced a vote on a healthcare bill nobody fucking heard about but haven’t done shit with stimulus. They’re definitely complicit.
There was never a bill better than this that Mitch would let pass. This bill likely won’t pass. In short no nun wasn’t right. He wanted to pass a “skinny bill” including additional PUA and direct payments. That was as much of a fantasy as trying to pass the Heroes Act. If the outcome is the same either way then fighting for what is right is much better than caving.
I appreciate the clarification. When all of that was going down a couple of months ago, I tuned out of this and the covid thread for mental health reasons.
I mean to be fair to him what he was advocating for I would snap take at this point. It just wasn’t any more realistic than the comprehensive bills the rest of us were advocating for.
I’m not sure what the $1.8 trillion is that you’re referring to, but people wouldn’t have gotten any money from that ever because the Senate would never pass it. (Unless I’m completely misremembering something.)
Who is the “they” who haven’t done shit with stimulus? The House passed a $2.2 trillion stimulus two months ago. What else are they supposed to do?
No way, senate voting down a stimulus bill would have almost certainly won us the senate, especially a Trump backed one. Trump desperately wanted stimulus, if the WH + Dems agreed to something the senate either passed it or lost the senate.
If we don’t think passing stimulus would have won Trump the whitehouse, dems not agreeing to the 1.8 or w/e is insanity. Either people get money and help, or the senate looks SUPER bad before the election.
It would have never had an up or down vote unless it was going to pass. A 1.8m agreement between Nancy and Trump gets shelved alongside the HEROES act.