Bailout / Stimulus Discussion (Hints Missed & Shartz Fired)

CNN says the White House believes Trump can extend unemployment benefits via executive order, and the Democrats plan to challenge all of these executive orders in court.

LOL gonna be a 40 state landslide… for Trump.

Kevin Hassett, former Council of Economic Advisors Chair under Trump, tells CNN this backup plan by the White House has been in the works for over a month. He says in an emergency, the federal government is allowed to lend money to states in an emergency. He says Trump can do that to lend money for unemployment. He says the payroll tax can be delayed in collection, it’s “clearly” under the authority of the Treasury Secretary.

If Trump comes out and does stuff by EO that the Democrats passed, Democrats should take a victory lap and say Trump caved and executed the liberal plan by EO, and when asked if they’re going to sue, “Why would we? He just executed our plan. Ask McConnell…”

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Let’s not forget unemployment is taxable and we still have no idea whether the PPP forgivable part is taxable. All of this should be non-taxable or the actual packages should be 30 percent higher. IRS gonna be a disaster next year.

I saw something that claims there’s still $1 trillion unspent from previous bills and that they’ll be trying to use the money from that to do whatever EO bulls*** he wants to do. If he steals all that money, and there’s no reason he can’t (who’s gonna check him boo?), and puts it toward unemployment it’s s sizable amount of time bought. If they had any bit of strategy he’d change it to $800 in the EO, but they don’t.

Trump just announced that he can and will extend unemployment benefits via executive order if the Democrats don’t stop “holding this critical relief hostage.” He says they’re holding it hostage to get radical left policies that have nothing to do with the pandemic.

No.

If Democrats sue him to take aid away from the unemployed, he’s going to curb stomp them and they will deserve to get curb stomped.

Yes, he can win.

But there are zero paths for Trump to win 40 states. Saying foolish things like that takes away from your points (which are otherwise very good).

I mean, yeah I guess. If Dems sue to take unemployment benefits away from millions of Americans, I think you’re going to find them losing a lot of their base. Those people won’t vote for Trump, probably, but I don’t know what that does to a lot of states. I guess Biden could just lambast Congressional Dems and get the votes back.

I guess 36 states is about his max. So I was off slightly in my rage.

It’s a mess. Democrats DESERVE this mess for letting him run buck wild on the Constitution for 3.5 years without so much as enforcing a goddamn subpoena. This is what 3.5 years of pansy ass politics caving on everything and letting “lol fuck you” win the day every damn day gets you.

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They would most likely mirror that part of any EO, pass it, get it signed, and then sue over whatever they don’t want, such as the payroll tax suspension which is wildly unpopular on both sides of the aisle.

Again, this is what impeachment was about. The GOP outside of Romney blank checked him to do literally whatever the f*** he wants until November 4. If the voters reject him huge, that unchecked power is over. If he wins, our Constitutional Democracy is over.

I’m serious when I say he can literally do anything he wants right now. The only thing ‘saving’ us is his abject stupidity.

LOL if you think Trump is going to sign this.

LOLOL if you think Mitch is dumb enough to support this.

LOLOLOL if you think Dems are smart enough to try this.

I’m sure the Dems, lawbros and Lol Constitution will save us. Nothing to worry about!

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Like are you ever going to get tired of doing this thing where you predict that the establishment Democrats are going to do the extremely cerebral and proper thing that they never seem to end up doing? Or are you going to keep fucking that chicken forever and ever?

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Trump will still get all the credit and the dems will be horrible and messaging and whine about he can’t do that.

Then I guess you’ve embraced the GOP’s Thelma and Louise strategy. This a nearly exact mirror of what Cory Gardner did during the trial. He knew he was going to lose so he said ‘f*** you’ to his little teammates Murkowski, Collins, and Romney. He said I’m driving this car off the cliff. What do you think the GOP will do when they become resigned to losing?

These are people’s lives we’re talking about, and you’re still treating it like a hand of poker regardless of whether you think you are.

Right, I mean my whole point is they need to message properly. It’s the only way to win at this point.

I’m telling you the Democrats aren’t smart enough to executive your strategy, McConnell isn’t dumb enough to fall for your strategy, and Trump probably wouldn’t sign it anyway. You insist on projecting high level though on eDems who always let you down. Don’t you get sick of it?

I’m saying Dems should NOT sue if he does what they want. They should congratulate him on embracing the Democratic plan and bypassing the obstructionist Senate Republicans, and reaffirm that this is the DEMOCRATIC plan.

But they won’t do that either because they’re incompetent fucks.

Where in there you get that I’m treating this like a hand of poker when it’s people’s lives, I don’t know.

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What proper thing are you talking about? They should have done a skinny bill that actually helps people immediately. Based on something you linked above the bad faith was the GOP plan all along. You thinking caving is going on is what needs to stop. Based on the events of the past few days, GOP was never making a deal. You got what you wanted I hope the consequences will be worth it to you.

As for embracing the GOP’s strategy, I hate it, but they’re goddamn good at this. They kick our ass every fucking time. They had no leverage and just made up new rules. If Democrats had been doing something smart all along, it never would have come to this. But that’s never in play because LOL at Dems doing anything smart.

They’re the goddamned Washington Generals and I’m not saying that they suck or they’re stupid, I’m saying they’re executing the exact plan they’re supposed to execute. They’re the best professional losers in the world, and your favorites - the eDems - are the best of the best of the professional losers.

Why you keep putting your faith in the likes of Pelosi, Schumer, Nadler, Schiff, etc I have no fucking idea.

Lol I didn’t get what I wanted. The Dems caved anyway, then got their teeth kicked in for it. They should have passed HEROES daily, which I was calling for. They should have been repeating over and over, “We passed a bill, they can’t even pass anything. We have a plan, they have nothing.”