The reason UE is different than The Wall is UE is a lot more expensive. Also Trump actually wants The Wall.
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Is it time for us to use our one time for Nancy to grow a spine? This sounds much more promising.
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“And what is he going to act upon?” Pelosi asked. “I don’t think they know what they’re talking about. The one thing the President can do is extend the moratorium and that would be a good thing if there’s money to go with it and that’s what we keep telling them.”
This was a good quote to see. Looks like Nancy isnt letting Trumps bluster of executive action phase her a bit.
I feel much more confident in my “No chance in hell this happens by tomorrow” statement after reading that article. Unless the Reps cave mightily (and that still may only get us to around 2.5 tril) this thing does not get done tomorrow. Then it’s on Mitch as to whether the senate reccesses or not. Reps calling for a month recess when there is no stimulus in place might cost them more than the WH. It might cost them every senate seat up for grabs (hyperbole, obviously)
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I saw a story yesterday that said Mitch will pretty much pass whatever the Dems and WH agree to. He knows they can’t pass anything without large Democratic support. That’s as close to a cave as Mitch is willing to admit, so he’s probably telling the WH to play as much of a hard line as they can but to be ready to blink. The problem for the WH is that dips*** Meadows, a card carrying Tea Party Freedumb Caucus member, is part of this. Of course he wants to strangle the government and kill a bunch of people, so anything where he’s talking about his own compromise is obvious bad faith bulls****.
I still feel relatively confident the $600 is getting extended, because Pelosi has really dug in on it. Now that Mitch blinked and said they wouldn’t leave until a deal is done, that means one is happening. Meadows saying something to the effect of ‘we have to put a clock on it or forget it’ is absurd and no one should believe nothing is getting done. He’s a terrible bluffer.
Something will get done in time for money to be flowing back into the pockets of the people before the beginning of September (that means something will very likely be done by the end of next week).
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LFG Nancy. Prove me wrong and get what needs to be done done or tell these terrorists to fuck off. (Headline is the same but the body is not)
“A three-hour meeting Thursday evening between senior administration officials and Democratic leaders yielded little progress as both sides seemed resigned to the likelihood that Congress won’t reach a major stimulus deal amid an economic crisis.”
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C’mon, don’t cave now!!!
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Rooting for short term suffering feels super weird, but it’s definitely the +EV move.
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Exactly. I’m still rooting for a good deal first, but no deal beats a bad deal.
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I was looking for the Meadows money quote in the article and here it is:
He added that he has a “glimmer of hope” a deal can still be reached.
This is all a pure bluff by him, a real dips*** bull****ter.
I am rooting for the House bill. I assume Cuse is also. That isn’t rooting for short term suffering. Let’s apply some actual pressure for the first time ever and see what happens. GOP has zero winning moves besides Chuck and Nancy caving. Why do you think there is no bill? They are waiting for the inevitable.
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Rooting for the house bill > Rooting for short term suffering > rooting for $200 a month. I’m in 100% agreement that it’s the right play. Just wish we didn’t have the worst people in the world in charge of half the government.
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The Democrats know Mitch isn’t stupid, so he doesn’t have the leverage to take a hard line. However, the Trump administration is known to be stupid, so Dems taking a hard line in negotiations has a much higher probability of leading to no deal and there is more of an incentive to compromise. It’s Nixon’s madman theory of foreign policy, applied to domestic politics.
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I just think Pelosi has a good read on how dumb Meadows is, which is probably why she’s being so combative in these meetings. She knows he’ll fold (or at least believes he will). I doubt the talks would be anywhere near as contentious if it were just Mnuchin or even Mnuchin and Mitch. Meadows is the lolspending hawk. What’s amazing to me is that we’ve had the current Fed chair and two former Fed chairs saying we essentially need to flood the people with money. These people aren’t known for saying these types of things, so I’m inclined to believe they believe if the relief package isn’t huge that this is going to be a disaster.
Again, I don’t think this bill will be the $3.4 trillion Pelosi wants, but I doubt it will be below $2 trillion based on the hardball. It wouldn’t surprise me if Mitch is planning some hero move where he goes in and saves the day for the GOP or something, but must want to wait as long as possible. He’s already shown his hand saying that he’ll keep the Senate out of recess as long as there’s any chance the Dems will make a deal and I know he knows they want to make a deal. He also can’t afford not to make one.
If Meadows reaches a deal with Pelosi, what if someone gets Trump to believe that he is being taken advantage of and that he should veto it or otherwise pull the rug out from any agreement? Or is this the point where Trump being obstinate would threaten Republican control of the Senate so much that Mitch might literally stab Trump in the face?
Can you convince people that this scenario isn’t a realistic possibility? How much should Pelosi be willing to compromise to mitigate this possibility?
For me, I need to know how long it takes to draft the final bill, do the votes, get it signed, and get the $600 program rolling again. With the delays they’ve caused, they need to make it retroactive and money needs to be flowing again before the end of the month. I can’t imagine there won’t be a major problem if they’re not voting by Wednesday. The compromise, period, should be getting the $600, hazard pay, and eviction moratorium through without delay if it looks like things are falling apart. Don’t make that deal unless they are certain they will be able to come to a deal on the rest shortly after this one. To incentivize a deal, it would probably not be a bad idea to add 6 months to any ‘skinny’ deals to make that a painful compromise for the GOP and to gauge the actual level of seriousness they have here.
Again, we can’t hold lives hostage in the hopes of getting a ‘great’ bill. I had given them until tomorrow to get something done under the assumption the Senate would recess without doing anything. It’s clear they won’t recess now, so that extends this out one more week after which the widespread damage to the economy won’t be able to be avoided unless they can move money into people’s accounts in less than a week. I know it should be as simple as pressing a button at the various employment departments, but I don’t have a lot of confidence they won’t botch this. That’s why I think there needs to be a lot of time before September to get people money. I wouldn’t be comfortable having that deadline move past a signed bill next Friday.
As for the Senate stuff, I’m confident the Senate is gone for Mitch which is why he’s tuned out so much on this. Trump could do stupid stuff, but I think it’s more likely they’ll tell him that he should counter with more money for the people to try to say that he cared ‘more’ than the Democrats (I don’t believe this will happen). I doubt he’ll torpedo anything once it gets to his desk. That’s why the WH is so involved in these negotiations. Surprisingly, Trump seems to realize something needs to be done on the extension and the evictions which is why he’s doing the dumb Executive Order bluff. I think the WH feels it can win if it gets any kind of ‘skinny bill’, so the Dems should just keep adding stuff to anything like that until the GOP balks, unless Pelosi is sure she can get a deal done on a big package before Wednesday.
We aren’t the ones holding lives hostage.
We are if the GOP walks away.
It’s on them. We can’t sacrifice more future lives to save less current lives. The GOP is the Joker at this point, we have to play hardball and we can’t have this defeatist self-blame going around.
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Yeah, but 6 months is a long time and the lives that will be gone will be the current ones and future ones, especially if it pans out in the reverse of what you expect with how it resonates with voters. The most important thing to realize is I don’t think the GOP will walk away. I think it’s a big bluff and they know their nuts are in a vice. The delay allows them to kill more people, so that’s a feature for them not a bug.
If the voters can’t figure out who’s fault it is, the collapse of this democracy is even more imminent than the WAAFers think.
I know the Dems suck at messaging but this is like “the grass is green” territory. We passed a bill, they passed none. They can’t even get their own party to unite around a plan because like 40% of Senate Republicans want no plan.