About Moderation

[MimosaDef]

@otatop

I test banned an account for 1 minute and the ban expired as scheduled.

Yeah, and now I totally forgot what I was going to post. Thanks a lot!

[Trolly]

When I use a credit card to buy Delta-8 gummies shipped from a neighboring state:

[MaxCut]

@anon38180840

@j8i3h289dn3x7

In other news, I’ve heard there’s some kind of unknown respiratory illness causing pneumonia in Wuhan. I wonder if we should be concerned about that. Also, I think MySpace might get overtaken by Facebook one of these days.

Legit spit take laughter over here.

Here’s jman joining the pig-pile insult party in the trump thread and receiving full sanction.

[NotBruceZ]

There’s a difference between implying you think someone is a moron and directly calling them a moron.

[hokie]

What about implying that you think a poster gets sexually aroused by war porn or loss porn?

[MaxCut]

Agreed. It’s a problem when the more honest direct version gets you banned and the stealth asshole version get LOLs and likes from the person handing out bans.

[NotBruceZ]

I personally would allow it.

[NotBruceZ]

This forum has consistently been modded so that being an asshole is permitted so long as you obey rules of decorum. I don’t see a problem with that. Anyone who knowingly takes a bull-in-a-china-shop approach because they disagree with how that line is drawn isn’t proven a point, unless their point is that they are capable of being stupid. If I opposed how that line was drawn, I’d figure out a way to be completely obnoxious without crossing the line, until enough people felt motivated to change the policy.

[jmakin]

That’s why making hard and fast rules like “no insults” does not work because people in bad faith will start litigating “well what constitutes an insult” and a very general, broadly applied “don’t be an asshole” rule works far better, because nearly everyone can identify assholish behavior, and it covers stuff that for sure should be moderated but is not quite covered by the “no insults” rule.

[MaxCut]

Always good to include an example, so thanks for that. You’re fine with that post, moderation wise, because you have only implied the moderator and certain members are too stupid to be persuaded by sound reasoning

[Jalfrezi]

We talked yesterday about moderation. Out of curiosity what else would you allow? Threats of doxxing?

[NotBruceZ]

Yes. You should be able to say that ideas are stupid. Saying that someone holds a stupid idea implies that someone might be stupid, but there’s plausible deniability that you might just think they are a non-stupid person with a stupid option on a particular issue. If we say you can’t label their ideas, then how can we criticize anyone’s point of view on anything? You might as well include a “no sarcasm” rule if you want to tone police to that extent.

I’d would much rather have the moderation policy to be to ask people to say “your idea is stupid because_____” and temp-ban them if they can’t/won’t fill in the blank to cut down on the drive-by dunking on each other. Instead of banning bring up old drama, I’d have a “cite or ban” policy and make people take the time to do the work of digging up old posts and quoting them.

[Jalfrezi]

I don’t keep track of everyone’s ban and posting history in a giant spreadsheet but from what you’re telling me now I guess you think doxxing is ok?

[AngryQueer]

Don’t you mean you’d fruitlessly try to motivate others to act obnoxiously

[AngryQueer]

[econophile]

Has Cactus ever raised this as an issue? Most of the moderation actions I have taken have been the result of people who were directly affected by the behavior making a complaint. On the other hand, there were many instances where posts were flagged by someone not involved in the discussion where I and other mods took no action, as Yuv mentioned earlier.

I realize that it doesn’t make sense to always require the aggrieved party to complain because that can create an environment that is so harmful for certain users that they don’t even feel like showing up. However, in cases like the post we are talking about which, in my admittedly subjective view, is borderline, I think it makes sense to consider the feelings of those directly involved.

[jmakin]

did anyone say this? like anything remotely like this?

[MaxCut]

Jman and goofy liked my post sarcastically to show they disagree. That’s, at least, remotely similar.

[MaxCut]

Go ahead and state why you liked it and prove me wrong.

[MaxCut]

I can see why you might be hesitant to respond given the choices. Either you agree with my post or, like I posited, you disagree with it and liked it sarcastically, or you just click like on a lot of my posts as a sort of …

@MaxCut

stealth asshole version

of calling me a moron.