I read some of the forum drama, but rarely comment. I barely remember jalfrezi, other than finding him incredibly annoying and being a main contributor to a lot of endless drama spilling over into every thread. It’s entirely possible that’s not a fair evaluation.
I’m definitely pro-ban for people who just cause endless drama (it’s really not hard to avoid being a huge asshole), I don’t think forums work at all when a majority of posts are just endless bickering. 6ix is a good example in my book - more interested in endlessly litigating whatever battles played out 10-20 years ago than posting any content.
Yeah my comparison I arrived at is being Alcoholics Anonymous where everyone is welcome but if you get out of line you will be asked to leave versus pledging a fraternity where you rush and vet people in advance. You can’t really brag that you don’t kick as many people out of Phi Delta Tau when you specifically don’t allow people you don’t like to begin with. It’s not some kind of accomplishment not to have bans where you pre vet every member.
It’s the same reason pretty much anyone got banned. Doing something that really annoyed or upset a large number of other users and refusing to curb their behavior in any way. It’s anti social on what is an entirely social driven platform.
Almost all the bans on this site followed the same formula you laid out.
Analogies are fun though. One I think that fits better is that you people are thinking “so much for the tolerant left” is an unironic gotcha coming from the right
The site doesn’t allow those who voted to permaban the people who had to flee to there. And you genuinely are stupid enough to just call it “people you don’t like”
You don’t tolerate us! You made that clear! And now when you don’t get invited, you say so much for the tolerant left
He certainly isn’t always nice, but not wanting him around because of that is a huge leak. He’s the epitome of a careful reader and thoughtful poster who will actually discuss something rigorously. If you really want to get to the bottom of something and achieve mutual understanding, or at least try, he’s your man. Trains of thought can be examined and then pondered and picked up right where they left off even years later.
He’s worth a hundred posters who just repost their Twitter feed.
Sure Jan. That’s why the most common post was, “I have no idea what’s going on, I haven’t read any of it, but I reflexively take the side of the mods. Ban away, because the worst thing in my life is having to be aware that the mods don’t like someone.”
Over and over, we saw this consistently. A group finding someone to beat up and dunk on. And then have the nerve to call anti social as they collectively stole what was at the time agreed upon to be a community owned website
Microbet was doing a little bragging about the site having never banned anyone.
I don’t have an issue with that site or it’s existence (sorry I don’t know it’s actual name), I just took exception to micro patting it on the back for not banning anyone versus unstuck. The two are not comparable.
That’s lacking context and not entirely accurate, but it’s awfully hard to get into subtleties here.
I submitted that not banning people has worked well. And in that very post I mentioned that there are people there on nmnm who are not anti-ban (and don’t necessarily agree with me). I wouldn’t call that bragging.
And I do submit that moderation played a huge role in breaking up this site. It wasn’t bickering, it was the teams that grew out of it as a result of policing the bickering. imo.
That post was almost 3 years ago. Curiously, I don’t have the same context now as I did then. It’s also entirely possible I went overboard because I was emotional, fed up, has a bad day etc. You know, human shit. That description was very likely unwarranted.
I submit that most forums will eventually devolve into chaos and endless bickering without some modding, without very strong gatekeeping who’s let in. I agree that modding is also likely to cause more resentment. I still prefer it to the alternative.
Ok. I’m just passing along the answer to your question and that it was jal who vetoed you and he wanted you to know that. That’s the way it works. Anyone there can veto, and when you asked if you could join just now, the topic came up over there.
Bans are bad except for the ban of Simp because he was an asshole. A brand new mod doing a perm and a “body of work” ban as soon as they were modded is par for the course. Now lets bring up shit from 10 years ago only 3 people remember.