Here’s a good example of that:
the current norm is that you cannot reverse unfair bans. I do think there should be some kind of mechanism like a mod vote, but there isn’t even a functioning mod thread.
That being said it’s highly important to remind people that Tilted had insta reversed Keed 24 hour ban to CW for troll flagging. A crime which CW later banned people for when he was moderator. That precedent was already set, so it’s all theoretical discussion by people who want to improve the moderation. Clearly every moderator is allowed to overturn decisions based on that precedent. I just think it’s a bad idea.
It was like a 14 hour ban actually.
I suggest those 30 people either put AM on mute as others have, or a second AM thread is created that isn’t in an obscure part of the forum, which they can ignore because it contains these sort of arguments.
It’s not hard.
Neither is it hard for people to learn to use the ignore and mute features, which exist for this very purpose.
Talk it over with the other mod like adults; if your differences are completely irreconcilable and you can’t let it slide, then we need to think about demodding people.
Somehow this has never been an issue for this community before afaict.
I agree that would be a very bad precedent, and as I said I think the way to do this would be by mod votes because the banlusting mods and noban mods will rarely agree.
You need the same number of mods on each side. If it’s split 50/50 then status quo rules.
You’ll never get agreement between the current mods when one wants to ban someone for weeks for a trivial offence while gleefully telling people to “fuck off” at the same time, and why should there be agreement?
It was definitely an issue. You just couldn’t tell, because it didn’t effect you. You’d think that past reactions by RM, CW and others to what they felt were unjustified bans would create more empathy about it, but it just doesn’t.
It appears that the UP is about to be ripped anyhow with the new community so sadly it doesn’t really matter anymore.
If there are mods on “sides” the shitshow will continue indefinitely.
It’s hard to dispute this after so long, surely?
Some mods like dishing out bans, other(s) oppose the practice.
When was this? I’m sure there have been disagreements but I don’t remember full-blown Mod Warz like we’ve seen recently.
there were mod warz recently? Like unless you are trying to invent something, me removing a throttle of 10 minutes hours after it was placed isn’t a mod war. I would have informed potato about it if I’ve known he didn’t know it was me.
The only major mod war was against Keed when all the things you fear happened.
What happens in reality is that ban-heavy mods get their way because the system is skewed.
I mean, this situation were you’re unilaterally overturning mod actions seems like “mod wars” to me unless you think you and potato can resolve these disputes among yourselves (in which case idk why we’re even having this discussion).
if you still don’t understand why we’re having this discussion you either did not read anything i write or do not respect me enough to have a conversation.
either way now that I know the other mods are actively organizing or participating in another community with a goal to strip this one out of all content it all seems pretty moot. i guess the battle is over.
I don’t know who this could possibly be but I sure feel like a fucking moron for unbanning 6ix early after seeing these posts.
It seems like you’re telling us that you and potato have irreconcilable differences but also that there are no mod wars going on. I’m not sure how both can be true.
Very normal and definitely not unhinged people!
No, i’m having a discussion about moderation in an attempt to improve this community. Me and potato have very little negative interaction.
You started off gun blazing about me being a terrible mod and pretended it isn’t because I banned you for harassment. But tbh now that i see what’s going on with the other site it seems like you wasted my time. Well played, i suppose.
What’s the issue then? If you and potato can work things out between yourselves, I don’t see the problem.
You started off gun blazing about me being a terrible mod and pretended it isn’t because I banned you for harassment.
I’ve been more than patient with you today, despite several personal attacks and lies from you. I thought you were a crap mod well before you banned me.
But tbh now that i see what’s going on with the other site
Oh, you got an invite?
you were asked multiple times to give even the slightest of reasoning. Since you can’t, it appears clear what is really going on.
The fact that commonwealth is still a moderator here while organizing and creating a website designed to strip this community of its content (he was actually planning this while still issuing bans all around) is quite sad but like i said, it’s clear now that i wasted my time on a rigged conversation.
